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“I am unalterably opposed to discrimination of any sort”, do you agree or disagree?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 02:19 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
OK: let us begin with pro-freedom foreign policy.
During the 3rd World War the GOP was much more aggressive in funding anti-communist defenses,
whereas the Demos only grudgingly went along, with too many complaints.
In fact, Ronald Reagan ran the communist economy into the ground
with our Star Wars build up and other technological military improvements.
The KGB coud not steal American technology fast enuf to keep up.
We have Reagan to thank for the death of communism.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
This has nothing to do with Libertarianism at all.
Fighting for freedom (against communist slavery) is very libertarian. I shoud not expect u to know that.



Quote:
Qua domestic policy,
the first statutes that spring to mind are freedom of self defense statutes
including, but not limited to, the statute protecting the right of citizens
to take their guns thru anti-freedom States when travelling.
To that we add immunity of the gun manufacturers from nuisance litigation
whose purpose it was to ruin them financially.
Accordingly, citizens now remain secure in their liberty of access to the means of free self defense.


This one, you have a minor point.

Quote:
The GOP has also been more aggressive in lowering taxes,
thereby giving citizens the freedom to enjoy their own $$.
Demos hate and resist that, craving to rob citizens of their property to use it collectively.
Cycloptichorn wrote:
This has little to do with Libertarianism.
Sez u.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
I would point out that Republicans and the Republican party regularly support
and advocate policies which limit individual freedoms. How do you explain this?

Cycloptichorn
I have no comment until u indicate what u r talking about.





David
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 02:28 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I would point out that Republicans and the Republican party regularly support
and advocate policies which limit individual freedoms. How do you explain this?
I have no comment until u indicate what u r talking about.

Well, one obvious issue is the anti-abortion stance of the Republican party.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 02:36 pm
@DrewDad,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I would point out that Republicans and the Republican party regularly support
and advocate policies which limit individual freedoms. How do you explain this?
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I have no comment until u indicate what u r talking about.
DrewDad wrote:
Well, one obvious issue is the anti-abortion stance of the Republican party.
Yes. Apparently some Republicans follow religious beliefs that God is against abortion and thay vote accordingly.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 02:45 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Yes. Apparently some Republicans follow religious beliefs that God is against abortion and thay vote accordingly.


But you know better, right, Om, cause you, being one of the chosen, Glenn Beck says you are, know what god thinks?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 02:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Yes. Apparently some Republicans follow religious beliefs that God is against abortion and thay vote accordingly.

Isn't that inherently anti-Libertarian? For the government to be involved in personal choices?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 02:53 pm
@DrewDad,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Yes. Apparently some Republicans follow religious beliefs that God is against abortion and thay vote accordingly.
DrewDad wrote:
Isn't that inherently anti-Libertarian? For the government to be involved in personal choices?
I said "Yes."





David
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 03:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
How do you reconcile this with your opinion that the Republican party is, in fact, a Libertarian party?

Not to mention: drug use, censorship laws, and the Terry Schiavo case. It seems that the vast majority of Republicans are not in fact Libertarians.

Cycloptichorn
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 03:22 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
It seems that the vast majority of Republicans are not in fact Libertarians.


That's not true, Cy. They say they are against homosexuality, divorce, affairs, illicit sex but they go right on libertarianing away.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 05:07 pm
An advertisement to get Ben Stein's email for free. Yeah right. That's all I need is more spam.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 05:30 pm
@electronicmail,
I am still unalterably confused as to what Barry G and his crew meant by,

“I am unalterably opposed to discrimination of any sort,”

except for this sort [and I paraphrase obviously]

I'm still as unalterably confused by what Rand Paul and the tea baggers mean by this because Rand Paul and all the others who hew to this line have been completely opaque on the meaning.

What gives with that?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 10:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
How do you reconcile this with your opinion that the Republican party is, in fact, a Libertarian party?

Not to mention: drug use, censorship laws, and the Terry Schiavo case.
It seems that the vast majority of Republicans are not in fact Libertarians.

Cycloptichorn
Those r exceptions to the general rule
endemic to a faction of Republicans, to which I do not belong.





David
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 10:23 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
From the OmSigDavid online dictionary:

Faction (Facshun): The vast majority (of the Republican party).
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 10:33 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

From the OmSigDavid online dictionary:

Faction (Facshun): The vast majority (of the Republican party).
Admittedly, I can 't quote a percentage,
but I 'm pretty sure that thay r less than half; maybe a third or a quarter.





David
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 May, 2010 10:34 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
drug use, censorship laws, and the Terry Schiavo case.

Quote:
Those r exceptions to the general rule


No, those are the general rule almost without exception.

Quote:
On March 21, Congress passed a bill, S.686, that allowed Schiavo's case to be moved into a federal court. The controversial law is colloquially known as the Palm Sunday Compromise. It passed the Senate on Sunday afternoon unanimously, 3-0, with 97 of 100 Senators not present. Meanwhile, in the House of Representatives, deliberation ran from 9pm EST to just past midnight during an unusual Sunday session.[14] The bill was passed 203-58 (156 Republicans and 47 Democrats in favor, 5 Republicans and 53 Democrats against), with 174 Representatives (74 Republicans and 100 Democrats) not present on the floor at the time of the vote at 12:41 a.m. EST. President Bush returned from vacation in Crawford, Texas to sign the bill into law at 1:11 that morning.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_involvement_in_the_Terri_Schiavo_case


What a clusterfuck!. That lazy, no account, layabout G Bush returned from a vacation to lead the clusterfuck.




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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 02:01 am
@electronicmail,
Quote:
During the Civil Rights debate in Congress Barry Goldwater
said “I am unalterably opposed to discrimination of any sort,”
I agree with that insofar as the right to keep and bear defensive arms is concerned.
Anyone and everyone has the natural right of self defense
and that includes the right to possess the means to do so.
No discrimination as to self defense!





David
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 08:58 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
How do you reconcile this with your opinion that the Republican party is, in fact, a Libertarian party?

Not to mention: drug use, censorship laws, and the Terry Schiavo case.
It seems that the vast majority of Republicans are not in fact Libertarians.

Cycloptichorn
Those r exceptions to the general rule
endemic to a faction of Republicans, to which I do not belong.

David


No, David; you are part of the faction. The things I described are majority positions for the party.

Next time you reflexively try and blame something on the Democrats, do yourself a favor and open a history book first. You will find that in most cases, the Republican party supported the exact same things you were against - and certainly were no libertarians.

Cycloptichorn
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electronicmail
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 10:29 am
@JTT,
Quote:
I am still unalterably confused as to what Barry G and his crew meant by,
I am unalterably opposed to discrimination of any sort,”

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I hadn't planned to post again on this forum having reached the conclusion that opposition to Rand Paul, the Tea Party, and Libertarians in general originates in supporters of "affirmative action". I'm defining it here in the libertarian sense as extending far beyond the forced desegregation in private businesses (addressed by Paul) to include a bevy of other federalized restrictions, from assisted suicide to marriage, gambling, abortion, drugs, foreign military adventures in the interest of any foreign nation (starting with Israel) to intervention in Terri Schiavo's proceedings. None of these areas are mentioned in Article I, Section 8. All are imho unconstitutional. All fail the Goldwater test: "I am unalterably opposed to discrimination of any sort."

But I agree with David that the majority of the GOP is now Libertarian. And I attribute that to the disastrous policies of the neocons who dominated the previous 2 GOP administrations and the GOP itself. Make no mistake, the neocons aren't going to roll over and play dead. The 2 factions, the surviving neocons and the libertarians, are enjoined in a fierce battle for control of the Republican Party. Only the left seems willing to say so out loud, but they're calling "advantage neocons" when it's actually "advantage libertarians":
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/21/libertarianism
Quote:
Paul was not only invited to be a featured speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference but also won its presidential straw poll. ....
..These fault lines began to emerge when Sarah Palin earlier this month delivered the keynote speech to the national tea party conference in Nashville, and stood there spitting out one platitude after the next which Paul-led libertarians despise: from neoconservative war-loving dogma and veneration of Israel to glorification of "War on Terror" domestic powers and the need of the state to enforce Palin's own religious and cultural values.


I'm not a prophet. It's only my personal opinion, reinforced by all my research including what I read here, that unless the neocons and other left- or right-wing "affirmative action" supporters move closer to the Tea Party position, most incumbents of both major parties will be trounced in November. I hope that clears up any ambiguity in my previous statements and plan to post again on November 3rd. Thank you.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 10:47 am

The whole point of voting Republican
is to fight against government control of life in America
and to fight for having a free country.





David
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 11:21 am
@electronicmail,
You begin by talking about Rand Paul and then refer to an article about Ron Paul. Which one are you talking about, Rand or his father?
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 02:23 pm
@electronicmail,
Quote:
I am still unalterably confused as to what Barry G and his crew meant by,
“I am unalterably opposed to discrimination of any sort,”


I'm even more confused. Why can't these folks, you included, EM, state what it is you mean? As far as I can see it's just a bunch of babbling meant to keep some very ignorant people following Rand Paul's dog and pony show.
 

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