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It's hard not to think of guns these days . . .

 
 
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 04:19 pm
@Francis,
I can't spell and I gave up trying to find the correct spelling quite a while ago (at least here - not in my business correspondance of course).

Farmerman may not like it, but david loves when you misspell.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 04:39 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

so you see a guy running from your bedroom window carrying a t.v., should you shoot him in the back?

Absolutely not.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 04:40 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

No, but I disagree with the nature of the threat that so many people represent. BTW, my former home was broken into by vandals, but it was a former friend of my son who had an ax to grind. When I lived in Detroit, my car was stolen several times but owning a gun would not have prevented the thefts unless I stayed up and at the window all night. My parents were robbed by two men who broke into their house wearing stocking masks and carrying sharpened screw drivers. They tied my father up and took my step mother upstairs, claiming they had been to the bank that day and withdrew $800. My parents were shaken but unhurt.

And therefore...?
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djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 04:41 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:
so you see a guy running from your bedroom window carrying a t.v., should you shoot him in the back?


if dancing with the stars is on at the time, the thief is going to be punished enough,
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 04:41 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

plainoldme wrote:
Let me add some details. At the time, this woman was in her 80s, sharp as a tack but very thin.
She had worked for Jane Addams at Hull House immediately after graduating from college
while she waited for her fiance to finish medical school.
This was not a woman to carry a gun.
That is a personal decision that each potential victim must make for himself.

David

She doesn't think so. She wants to make the decision for everyone.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 04:43 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

I was responding to the situation, not a fantasy.

You presented a case where someone with a gun overreacts. There are some cases that justify using a gun if you have one.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 06:36 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

Funny when we were going to move to Texas - and on one of our visits something felt weird about it. I realized that just the thought of being so far from the ocean made me feel clastophobic.


Isn't it strange how such vastly diffent things (water/land, mountains/plains) can either be such a source of comfort, or distress?

Wasn't it Dallas you were going to move to?
No wonder you felt clastophobic. Oklahoma could have sluiced down on top of you at any moment.
Ceili
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 06:43 pm
@Brandon9000,
Go back and re-read. I never presented any case. I responded to David's threats of death.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 07:30 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:
I also have a cousin who used to own a pharmaceutical delivery business.
He carried a gun - again with the early morning deliveries and drug addicts
that wouldn't hestitate to steal from you, you would want a gun.

And I am not a big supporter of in typical situations to have a gun,
but there are certain situations where it does and could call for one.
It was his life preserver.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 07:54 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:
Then there is the whole equal force thing...
If you shoot someone coming at you with a fist,
you deserve to go to jail.
Ceili, meaning no disrespect, your remark is ill considered.
Lemme ask u this: suppose that u have a very good friend or close relative who u genuinely CARE about.
Suppose that he decides to carry a gun for defensive purposes
and he proceeds to do so, within your knowledge,
even if not within your approval.

On a given day, he comes to see u after having been released
from the hospital. He tells u that he was involved in a minor
traffic collision, with vehicular property damage and that
another party to the collision was irate and (with his fist);
he beat your good friend or relative, causing permanent loss
of hearing in one ear and loss of an eye and severe spinal damage.

Ceili, true or false:
woud u inquire of him: Y didn 't u shoot him?

or woud u just be relieved that the assailant remained intact ?

To the extent that my memory is accurate,
an incident approximately like this actually happened not long
after Texas threw out gun control and became a "shall issue"
must issue jurisdiction for licenses to carry concealed guns.
A new licensee was involved in such a collision.

If I remember (maybe others can recall this incident?)
there was a homicide prosecution in which there were passionate
feelings expressed that the licensee who lost his aforesaid hearing
etc shoud not have shot his attacker.

In such a situation, Ceili, how is a victim to KNOW or to predict
the severity of personal injury will be in each of the concussions
from his attacker's fist, whether he is to be hit one additional time
or 75 additional times?

It is perverted to expect a victim to be concerned about the well-being of the attacker.

Will u reveal your thoughts about such a situation ?
(Of course, everyone else is invited to comment also.)

Imagine that u were a juror in this situation.

As I remember,
what was left of the defendant was acquitted.





David
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 08:12 pm
@dyslexia,
Who is Abraham Simpson?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 08:15 pm
@Brandon9000,
And neither you nor David want to make decisions for everyone? David thinks making decisions for others is freedom. You confuse freedom with the right to protect one self which is a dangerous proposition: leads to all sorts of far fetched interpretations.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 08:16 pm
I like tangents . . . they make threads more like real life conversations. I found the shark tangent very interesting and educational.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 09:54 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
And neither you nor David want to make decisions for everyone?
David thinks making decisions for others is freedom.
You confuse freedom with the right to protect one self which is a dangerous proposition:
leads to all sorts of far fetched interpretations.
It woud be fun, if u had the requisite strength of intellect to debate.
I 'd like to see u get mentally stronger, but I don 't hold out much hope.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 10:03 pm
@Brandon9000,
plainoldme wrote:
Let me add some details. At the time, this woman was in her 80s, sharp as a tack but very thin.
She had worked for Jane Addams at Hull House immediately after graduating from college
while she waited for her fiance to finish medical school.
This was not a woman to carry a gun.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
That is a personal decision that each potential victim must make for himself.

David
Brandon9000 wrote:
She doesn't think so.

She wants to make the decision for everyone.
Yes; that 's what it IS. Then she accuses ME of making decisions for others.

Maybe in the delusions of the left, everything is twisted around backward.





David
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 05:12 am
It is pretty obvious that gun proponents have a negative view of humanity . . . that people everywhere are attackers . . . not potential attackers but actual attackers. The few who are not attackers are in a permanent state of victimhood.

Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 06:01 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

And neither you nor David want to make decisions for everyone? David thinks making decisions for others is freedom. You confuse freedom with the right to protect one self which is a dangerous proposition: leads to all sorts of far fetched interpretations.

You need to explain this comment more clearly. I don't know what you're saying. I'm not confusing anything. I'm asserting that the right to protect oneself is a very basic component of freedom.

I asserted that people have the right to self-defense. Be clear, do you agree or do you not? Being cryptic isn't an argument. I don't want to force people to own guns, but I view having the means of effective self-defense as a right.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 06:02 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

It is pretty obvious that gun proponents have a negative view of humanity . . . that people everywhere are attackers . . . not potential attackers but actual attackers. The few who are not attackers are in a permanent state of victimhood.

Nonsense. A fundamental prerequisite for debate is the ability to state your opponent's viewpoint accurately, and you're basing your argument on putting words in our mouth. We assert nothing more than that attackers exist. We are not asserting that they're everywhere. Misquoting isn't a very good argument.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 07:48 am
@chai2,
Yep it was the Dallas area.

I am a bit peculiar so it could have been my peculiarity.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 07:49 am
@plainoldme,
And mako makes get eating too - for another tangent.
 

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