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It's hard not to think of guns these days . . .

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 09:38 pm
@plainoldme,
There are four basic reasons for the second ammendment in the United States.

Every one of the founding fathers is on record to the effect that private ownership of firearms, the 2'nd ammendment, is there as a final bulwark against the possibility of government going out of control. That is the most major reason for it.

At the time of the revolution and for years afterwards, there were private armies, private ownership of cannons and warships. . . The term "letters of marque, and reprisal" which you read in the constitution indicates the notion of the government issuing a sort of a hunting license to the owner of a private warship to take English or other foreign national ships on the high seas, i.e. to either capture or sink them. The idea of you or me owning a Vepr or FAL rifle with a 30-round magazine is not likely to have bothered any of those people.

The problem with drug-dealers owning AKs is a drug problem and not a gun problem. Fix the drug-problem, i.e. get rid of the insane war on drugs and pass a rational set of drug laws, and both problems will simply go away. A rational set of drug laws would:

1. Legalize marijuana and all its derivatives and anything else demonstrably no more harmful than booze on the same basis as booze.

2. Declare that heroine, crack cocaine, and other highly addictive substances would never be legally sold on the streets, but that those addicted could shoot up at government centers for the fifty-cent cost of producing the stuff, i.e. take every dime out of that business for criminals.

3. Clamp a permanent legal lid down on top of anybody peddling LSD, PCP, and/or other Jeckyl/Hyde formulas.

4. Same for anybody selling any kind of drugs to kids.

Do all of that, and the drug problem, the gun problem, and 70% of all urban crime will vanish within two years.

But I digress. The 2'nd ammendment is there as a final bulwark against our own government going out of control. It is also there as a bulwark against any foreign invasion which our own military might not be able to stop.

Admiral Yamamoto, when asked by the Japanese general staff about the possibility of invading the American homeland, replied that there were fifty million lunatics in this country who owned military style weaponry, and that there would be "a rifle behind every blade of grass". This apparently bothered him a great deal more than the 200,000 or so guys in uniform prior to the war.

A third obvious reason for private ownership of firearms is to protect yourself and your family from criminals and wild animals. In fact, the second amendment is basically an idea whose time has come all over the world. Why on Earth should people in India tolerate having 80,000 of their number killed every year by snakes? That could simply not happen in a nation whose people were armed.

And there's a fourth reason for the 2'nd ammendment, which is to provide the people with food during bad economic times. When you listen to people from New York and from Texas talk about the depression of the 30's, you hear two totally different stories. The people in New York will tell you about people starving and eating garbage, and running around naked. The Texans (and others from more rural areas and places in which laws and customs had remained closer to those which the founding fathers envisioned) will tell you that while money was scarce, they always had 22 and 30 calibre ammunition, and that they always had something to eat, even if it was just some jackrabbit.

Eating is habit forming. In any sort of a down economic situation, that fourth rationale for the second amendment quickly becomes the most important.
















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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2010 12:16 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
It's hard not to think of guns these days . . .
Its FUN to think of guns these days,
or any days. I watch them on the Military Channel.

Thay have contests qua which r the best ones.





David
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2010 04:01 pm
Speaking of guns, here is a new screen-saver for POM.
Click on image to SuperSize.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/IMG_3651.jpg
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2010 07:24 pm
@H2O MAN,
Never saw that one before, what exactly is it?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 06:59 am
@H2O MAN,
BTW, a silencer on a 308 makes little sense for obvious reasons; for some sort of an urban or short-range sniper weapon you'd want subsonic ammo and a heavy bullet. Something like heavy 44Mag ammo and something like that little Ruger 44Mag carbine with detachable magazines would be more like it.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 03:09 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Never saw that one before, what exactly is it?


The rifle: M14 EBR-RINM-SEI, the civilian version of the TACOM M14 EBR-RINM that is a step up from the M14 EBR-RI currently used in AFG.

Mine started life as a semi-automatic M21A5 Crazy Horse, SEI installed the NM rear sight, scope mount and bolted into the NM SAGE EBR stock. Sub sonic is very quiet and it is great for close in work, but the SEI/Fisher sound suppressor not only makes it virtually impossible for those in the target area to determine were the non-sub sonic rounds are coming from it also eliminates all flash and it acts as sort of a barrel extension resulting tighter groups.

This rifle is sub-MOA accurate out to 1000 yards with M118LR ammo... better quality ammo and rifleman skills improve the accuracy.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/IMG_3654.jpg
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 04:07 pm
@H2O MAN,
I don't own anything quite that fancy. I do know how to put FAL rifles together from parts but you're talking about big scavenger hunts any more to do it.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 05:12 pm
@gungasnake,
The FAL is a great rifle, but as you pointed out - quality parts are hard to find.

M14/M1A owners faced the same problem a few years ago, but the situation is greatly improved because the
US military decided it was a good idea to modernize and enhance the 50+ year old M14 for today's battlefields.


The US military got this one right Very Happy
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 05:23 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
The FAL is a great rifle, but as you pointed out - quality parts are hard to find.

M14/M1A owners faced the same problem a few years ago, but the situation is greatly improved because the
US military decided it was a good idea to modernize and enhance the 50+ year old M14 for today's battlefields.


The US military got this one right Very Happy
YES!
The M-14 is an obvious improvement (or several improvements) on the Garrand.

I wonder how much faster n easier
we 'd have won the WWII with M-14s, instead of M-1s.




David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 05:29 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
BTW, a silencer on a 308 makes little sense for obvious reasons;
What r the obvious reasons ?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 06:24 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Mainly that the main noise from supersonic ammo is the sonic crack of the bullets and not the muzzle blast of the rifle. Granted the sonic crack isn't terribly directional but it will alert people that they're being shot at faster than a military sniper might want.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 02:15 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Mainly that the main noise from supersonic ammo is the sonic crack of the bullets and not the muzzle blast of the rifle. Granted the sonic crack isn't terribly directional but it will alert people that they're being shot at faster than a military sniper might want.


If the military snipers does his job the sonic crack will fall on what's left of a set of deaf ears.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 03:36 pm
@H2O MAN,
gungasnake wrote:
Mainly that the main noise from supersonic ammo is the sonic crack of the bullets and not the muzzle blast of the rifle. Granted the sonic crack isn't terribly directional but it will alert people that they're being shot at faster than a military sniper might want.
H2O MAN wrote:
If the military snipers does his job the sonic crack will fall on what's left of a set of deaf ears.
Yeah, but the good guys have been and are willing to target a bad guy in a group of bad guys.





David
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 04:08 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

gungasnake wrote:
Mainly that the main noise from supersonic ammo is the sonic crack of the bullets and not the muzzle blast of the rifle. Granted the sonic crack isn't terribly directional but it will alert people that they're being shot at faster than a military sniper might want.
H2O MAN wrote:
If the military snipers does his job the sonic crack will fall on what's left of a set of deaf ears.
Yeah, but the good guys have been and are willing to target a bad guy in a group of bad guys.





David


That's true and that's why the semi-auto M14 EBR with 20 rounds on tap is so popular.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Dec, 2010 07:16 am
@H2O MAN,
gungasnake wrote:
Mainly that the main noise from supersonic ammo is the sonic crack of the bullets and not the muzzle blast of the rifle. Granted the sonic crack isn't terribly directional but it will alert people that they're being shot at faster than a military sniper might want.
H2O MAN wrote:
If the military snipers does his job the sonic crack will fall on what's left of a set of deaf ears.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Yeah, but the good guys have been and are willing to target a bad guy in a group of bad guys.





David
H2O MAN wrote:
That's true and that's why the semi-auto M14 EBR with 20 rounds on tap is so popular.
The M-14 is superbly accurate.





David
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 13 Dec, 2010 03:10 pm
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 13 Dec, 2010 03:28 pm

Can we take an opinion poll
on accuracy in handguns, be thay revolvers or automatics ?

What is your favorite handgun, so far as ACCURACY is concerned ???





David





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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 16 Dec, 2010 05:54 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:



... women are discouraged from arming themselves with guns...


It sounds like liberals want women to be victims.
How irrational is that?

knowing that your master will protect you from all threats, life on the liberal progressive democrat plantation must be great - is it?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 16 Dec, 2010 09:18 am
@H2O MAN,
plainoldme wrote:
... women are discouraged from arming themselves with guns...
H2O MAN wrote:
It sounds like liberals want women to be victims.
How irrational is that?

knowing that your master will protect you from all threats,
life on the liberal progressive democrat plantation must be great - is it?
Every predatory event is a contest of power.
The victim needs to bring sufficient power to bear
to control the emergency. The supporters of gun control
want the victim to lose.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 16 Dec, 2010 03:10 pm

Quote:
It's hard not to think of guns these days . . .
I ENJOY thinking of guns these days . . . the same as all other days.





David
 

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