Why I am a Republican - By Dwight D. Eisenhower

@old europe,

What was it again with dictatorship at. al.?

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

Ah, OmSigDAVID agreeing with the Nazis on how to deal with the political opposition.... This thread has it all!

NO; more precisely, with how best to treat commies;
the commies who 'd still be their partners if not for Operation Barbarosa.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

You're clueless.

Communists were amongst the first inmates of Nazi concentration camps. Hitler was sworn in as Reichskanzler in January 1933, the first concentration camps existed in March 1933, communists were detained starting in summer of 1933.

Communists in Germany were victims of the Nazi dictatorship right from the very beginning, eight years before Unternehmen Barbarossa.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

You're clueless.

Communists were amongst the first inmates of Nazi concentration camps.
Hitler was sworn in as Reichskanzler in January 1933,
the first concentration camps existed in March 1933, communists were detained starting in summer of 1933.

U make it sound as if I 'd denied that.

old europe wrote:

Communists in Germany were victims of the Nazi dictatorship right from the very beginning,
eight years before Unternehmen Barbarossa.

I strongly, eagerly applaud!

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I strongly, eagerly applaud!

Which makes you no better than the Nazis. The lip service you pay to liberty and freedom of speech is completely worthless if you're in favour of detaining and murdering people because you don't agree with their political opinions.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
I strongly, eagerly applaud!

Which makes you no better than the Nazis. The lip service you pay to liberty and freedom of speech is completely worthless if you're in favour of detaining and murdering people because you don't agree with their political opinions.

Indeed.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Communism is NOT just opinions,
it is actively moving to conquer and enslave the world, including ME.

We who are free have the right to defend ourselves
from the filthy commie predators. If the commies suffer
at ANYONE 's hands, that is very good.

David

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The commies murdered many, many millions more the the nazis,
but much less fortunate than those murdered by the commies
were the communist slaves.

Now thay r free.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

The commies murdered many, many millions more the the nazis

I doubt that most members of the Communist Party of Germany had murdered even a single person before they were detained in concentration camps.

But let's test your moral standards: The Nazis murdered millions of people. Should someone who applauds their crimes suffer the same fate as the communists under the Nazis?

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@old europe,

And how many tens of millions or hundreds of millions died under Stalin's rule, oe? What the Nazis did was horrible, and what the communists did was also horrible. Two wrongs do not make a right, and that is why you can count me as adamantly opposed to both forms of left wing craziness, whether it be a nationalistic form of Socialism / Fascism / Nazism / Statism, or an international vision of Marxism / ultra socialism / communism / Statism.

For you to argue that because Hitler killed communists, he was a right wing fanatic, is pretty shallow thinking. Hitler killed anyone that opposed him, including communists and millions of capitalists / Jews, whoever.

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@old europe,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

The commies murdered many, many millions more the the nazis

old europe wrote:

I doubt that most members of the Communist Party of Germany had murdered even a single person
before they were detained in concentration camps.

But let's test your moral standards: The Nazis murdered millions of people.
Should someone who applauds their crimes suffer the same fate as the communists under the Nazis?

Applauding, by itself and without more, is an expression of mere opinion
and shud not be the cause of "the same fate" as u put it.

David

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Well, Goldberg is turning out to be very correct,

No, he's really not - or perhaps you could tell us specifically what he's correct about?

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Obama is getting in bed with capitalists

How is that different from any other President - or even someone who is pro-capitalism?

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or attempting to use them for his vision of socialism.

He doesn't have a vision of socialism. Every time an option has come up to choose a more 'socialistic' solution, the Obama admin has NOT taken that option.

They didn't nationalize the banks.
They didn't nationalize GM.
They didn't include a Public Option in HC reform.

So I think you're just making **** up.

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Its beginning to look like Fascism all over again, right cyclops?

No, it isn't. This is what fascism looks like:

http://blogs.uptownlife.net/sonyarose/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Belsen011.jpg

Nothing in America resembles Fascism at all at this time. You are simply making things up.

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I wonder if thats why "plainoldme" and some other ultra leftists here are beginning to criticize and accuse Obama of being a rightee?

Others - like myself - who would prefer to see more left-wing solutions to the problems outlined above are frustrated, because Obama and his economic team seem to prefer supporting banks and corporations more then individual people in a lot of cases. Though you won't find me accusing Obama of being a 'rightie,' I do think he is best described as center-left.

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They are saying Obama is not doing what they voted for him to do. It almost seems that some ultra leftists wanted and expected Obama to go Marxist full bore from the very beginning?

I thought you said he was a full-bore Marxist and 'Ultra leftist.'

I think your posts on this topic are 100% incorrect, and that you are not a credible historian. You aren't interested in reading primary sources and finding out the truth of the matter, not at all; and when people who actually lived through it inform you that you are being totally incorrect, you blow them off and accuse them of being 'leftists' who are lying about the Nazis due to secret sympathies with them.

I think I understand why you right-wingers knock the academic community to such a high degree: you would get laughed at if you tried this weak tripe in a real rigorous setting.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

Well, Goldberg is turning out to be very correct,

No, he's really not - or perhaps you could tell us specifically what he's correct about?

Cyclops, I think it would be more instructive for you to point out where he is wrong. I do not have the book, nor have I read the book cover to cover. I have read quotes from it, which seem entirely reasonable and logical.

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Obama is getting in bed with capitalists

How is that different from any other President - or even someone who is pro-capitalism?

Now that seems like a pretty dumb question, cyclops, even for you. Conservative presidents would strive to get out of the way of business so that business could do what they do best, compete and deliver superior products and services at competitive prices. Medical care is a prime example, with Obamacare attempting to dictate and control the industry, which I believe will be to the ultimate detriment of the citizenry.

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or attempting to use them for his vision of socialism.

He doesn't have a vision of socialism. Every time an option has come up to choose a more 'socialistic' solution, the Obama admin has NOT taken that option.

Obama is attempting to mandate conditions and medical services to all people, making all people also pay for it, which is clearly socialistic.

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They didn't nationalize the banks.
They didn't nationalize GM.
They didn't include a Public Option in HC reform.

So I think you're just making **** up.

You don't have to nationalize something if you regulate every facet of it, same with the so-called "public option."

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Its beginning to look like Fascism all over again, right cyclops?

No, it isn't. This is what fascism looks like:
Nothing in America resembles Fascism at all at this time. You are simply making things up.

I knocked out your photo, which was totally unnecessary, cyclops. You did not address the meaning of fascism and my discussion of Mussolini's "Third Way." I will point out again the unholy alliance with the auto industry, the medical industry, and more industries on the horizon if we allow it to happen.

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I wonder if thats why "plainoldme" and some other ultra leftists here are beginning to criticize and accuse Obama of being a rightee?

Others - like myself - who would prefer to see more left-wing solutions to the problems outlined above are frustrated, because Obama and his economic team seem to prefer supporting banks and corporations more then individual people in a lot of cases. Though you won't find me accusing Obama of being a 'rightie,' I do think he is best described as center-left.

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They are saying Obama is not doing what they voted for him to do. It almost seems that some ultra leftists wanted and expected Obama to go Marxist full bore from the very beginning?

I thought you said he was a full-bore Marxist and 'Ultra leftist.'

I think your posts on this topic are 100% incorrect, and that you are not a credible historian. You aren't interested in reading primary sources and finding out the truth of the matter, not at all; and when people who actually lived through it inform you that you are being totally incorrect, you blow them off and accuse them of being 'leftists' who are lying about the Nazis due to secret sympathies with them.

I think I understand why you right-wingers knock the academic community to such a high degree: you would get laughed at if you tried this weak tripe in a real rigorous setting.

Cycloptichorn

At least interpret my posts accurately, cyclops, for example, I have never said Obama is a "full bore Marxist." What I have said is that yes, he is an ultra leftist, and I believe that he has Marxist sympathies. Also, I don't think Obama will try to institute all of his desired policies suddenly, in fact we know that he cannot, and he knows he would be unable, his game will be and is an incremental game of moving things a step at a time. He also needs a willing Congress, which requires him to be careful not to jeopardize his hopes due to big Democratic losses in the next election.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
The commies murdered many, many millions more the the nazis
old europe wrote:
I doubt that most members of the Communist Party of Germany had murdered even a single person
before they were detained in concentration camps.

But let's test your moral standards: The Nazis murdered millions of people.
Should someone who applauds their crimes suffer the same fate as the communists under the Nazis?
Applauding, by itself and without more, is an expression of mere opinion
and shud not be the cause of "the same fate" as u put it.

Being a member of the Communist Party in Germany, by itself, is an expression of mere opinion. Yet you applaud the Nazi regime for detaining, abusing and murdering people for expressing their opinion.

You're in line with the moral standards of a totalitarian dictatorship rather than with those expressed in the Declaration of Independece - that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You're so afraid of the enemy that you would not hesitate to become like him.

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@old europe,

You seem to have an odd emotional attachment to communism, oe. Are you a member of the party?

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@okie,

No attachment to communism. Not a member of the party. I disagree with David's applause for what the National Socialists did to the communists.

Seriously, you guys have weird ideas about what freedom of speech is supposed to mean. For David, it's apparently okay to voice your opinion unless the opinion you voice is one of propagating communism. Then he doesn't have a problem with killing people in government sponsored extermination camps for voicing that opinion.

How about you, okie? Do you agree with David that it's good that the communists suffered at the hands of the National Socialists? Do strongly, eagerly applaud that they were rounded up and put into concentration camps because the Nazis disagreed with their political positions?

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

How about you, okie? Do you agree with David that it's good that the communists suffered at the hands of the National Socialists? Do strongly, eagerly applaud that they were rounded up and put into concentration camps because the Nazis disagreed with their political positions?

No, absolutely not. Equally, I condemn FDR and the Democrats for rounding up Japanese Americans during World War II and placing them in camps as well.

Again, the Nazis rounded up anyone that opposed them, not just communists.

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@okie,

So disagreeing with David doesn't mean that you have an odd emotional attachment to communism, right?

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@old europe,

No, it doesn't. Sorry to make the comment if it was off base. I have noticed during our many exchanges here however that you lean to the left pretty distinctly, and so I was compelled to ask the question.

I am in favor of free speech, and I vigorously oppose any legal action against anyone based solely upon political speech. There needs to be more actions involved, such as open and clear actions of undermining or seeking to overthrow the government, or to do damage and violence, such as those actions by Obama friend, Bill Ayers and the Weathermen.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

No, it doesn't. Sorry to make the comment if it was off base.

I'm not overly worried about whatever someone on the internet insinuates my political positions are. I'm more worried about this:

You seem to have at least noticed the discussion between David and me. You saw that David happily agreed with a totalitarian terror regime, that he eagerly approved of the regime's treatment of the political opposition. You have also, in countless posts, warned everyone who was willing to read along about the dangers of this kind of mindset. You argue that adherence, even just in secret, to a philosophy that might lead to or is in line with totalitarian dictatorships is the biggest danger to the nation.

Maybe you can explain this to me: in a discussion between a right-wing poster who expresses approval for the extermination of the political opponents by a totalitarian regime and a poster who, as you argue, "leans to the left pretty distinctly" and argues in favour of freedom of speech, and the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness - why does your reaction seem to be an attack on the second poster?

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