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NO FLY ZONE . . . IN ENGLAND ! ! !

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2010 08:10 pm
@farmerman,
Run, Sheep, Run ! Chase, Gomer, Chase ! Whats it like to have sex with an animal and then kill it and eat it ?
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2010 08:22 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
Whats it like to have sex with an animal and then kill it and eat it


I have no idea. The Only one around here with an Aonus on sheep sex fixation is you dearie.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2010 08:37 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
I have no idea. The Only one around here with an Aonus on sheep sex fixation is you dearie.
Dont live in denial. 'Fess up, it is good for the soul. Remember, acknowledging a problem is the first step to solving it .
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2010 08:55 pm
@Ionus,
I believe your mother ship is calling you .
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2010 10:03 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
I believe your mother ship is calling you .
Maybe that is funnier where you are...have a lot of mother ships calling do you ?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 01:31 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

i think it's wonderful that we believe ourselves to achieved some pinnacle of modern civilization

only to have something that was not only here long before we appeared on the scene, but has remained virtually unchanged in all that time (short of some eruption remodeling), take at a look at our technological wonders and stick it's ashy finger up at it (feel free to insert appropriate hand gesture for your geographical region)

go earth, you'll get rid of us yet


We won't be happy if it gets to be more than a finger.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 11:22 am
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However, NATS, the air traffic authority in Britain, said it was confident it had made the right decision in restricting flights.

"The primary concern for all the people involved -- the regulator, the government, and NATS -- has been to ensure flight safety," NATS Senior Manager Alex Bristol told CNN. "Until such time as we had evidence to give us different assurances, then the regulations which existed, and which we were using eight days ago ... then we had to restrict the airspace, and we did the right things."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/04/21/volcano.ash/index.html?hpt=T2

NO, Considering that closing the European airspace causes billions if not tens of billions of dollars a day in economic damage they had a responsibility to consider the full ramifications of their actions. This was immature decision making, we should expect better out of our leaders.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 11:31 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
why dont you and spendi just get a room and tea bag each other.


At it again eh? Another of your fixations. Any two people who disagree with fm are always invited to "get a room". We probably would if we could get together to get one free and then rent it out for 40 quid a week.

It must be a latent urge in you to continually think in that way. Almost as if you think of getting a room with anybody who agrees with you. A projection thing.

I hope you're not repressing it old boy. If it keeps bubbling up at the first chance like this you should either screw the lid down tighter or get on with it.

It's legal and in your religion it's no sin. It's getting to be a distinction.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 11:44 am
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Wednesday, 21 April 2010 17:02
European airlines could sue government agencies for grounding air traffic due to safety fears over a volcanic ash cloud if they are not compensated for losses by their own countries, some lawyers have said.

Lawyers believe airlines, which industry body IATA says have lost $1.7 billion in the crisis, could bring lawsuits against government agencies. Solicitors said they expected to see 'a raft of class actions brought by airlines and companies' against government agencies if a compensation deal was not agreed.

They said the damages from such lawsuits could 'break the billion pound mark'.
http://www.rte.ie/business/2010/0421/airlines.html

Sounds like a capital idea, though the airlines took only a sliver of the economic hit from this bone headed decision. If governments have to pay some of the costs, plus take a tax revenue hit from loss of production as they will, they may make the attempt to act smartly next time......Next time should be with in 6-9 months, when Katla is expect to blow.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 12:06 pm
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The safety of air passengers is of paramount importance." So spoke Gordon Brown this week, defending the flight restrictions that have been put in place due to the volcanic ash cloud.

And could he really have said anything else? Has any leader every claimed that the safety of the people is his second priority?

However, the ethics of risk is not as straightforward as the rhetoric of "paramount importance" suggests. People talk of the "precautionary principle" or "erring on the side of caution" but governments are always trading safety for convenience or other gains.

Many Americans avoided planes after 9/11 and travelled by road instead resulting in an estimated 1,200 more deaths on the roads

For instance, 30mph speed limits on motorways would increase road safety, but almost no-one is advocating them. Lord Adonis, the transport minister, would sound callous if he said slowing cars down is too high a price to pay to save a few hundred lives per year, but that is precisely the rationale for the policy.

In this respect, governments are only behaving as we all do.

We take risks all the time, and safety is never allowed to trump all other concerns. The under 30s could eliminate one of their single biggest risks of death at a stroke if they never got into a car, but virtually all consider the inconvenience too high a price to pay.

The problem is that people are generally terrible at making rational decisions about risk.

To take just one of many examples, many Americans avoided planes after 9/11 and travelled by road instead. As a result, a team of researchers from Cornell University estimated there were at least 1,200 more deaths on America's roads than there would have been.

Foibles

Some 1,200 people died because they were avoiding what they perceived to be a riskier form of transport, 954 more than who died on the planes used for the terrorist attacks.

But governments have to choose on our behalf which risks we should be exposed to.


That poses a difficult ethical dilemma: should government decisions about risk reflect the often irrational foibles of the populace or the rational calculations of sober risk assessment? Should our politicians opt for informed paternalism or respect for irrational preferences?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8633484.stm

Both, but in this case no risk assessment was done. I am also not convinced that people want to be protected from a possible risk by a paternalistic government at great expense to the people.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 12:21 pm
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The Transport Secretary has today admitted the government was 'too cautious' in imposing a blanket six-day ban on flights from British airports.
The admission will further enrage tens of thousands of passengers who are continuing to face delays despite the reopening of all British airports after they were shut by the volcanic ash cloud.
Lord Adonis told the BBC: 'I think it's fair to say that we have been too cautious. "We" being the international safety regulators.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267597/Iceland-volcano-Lord-Adonis-admits-flight-ban-cautious.html#ixzz0llByilvw


This is a good start, now what changes are going to happen so that you'all do a better job next time??
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 01:34 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
why dont you and spendi just get a room and tea bag each other.
The fools who inhabit here thought that was so clever it got two thumbs up....but really, was it that witty or are the fools here full of hatred and vindictiveness ? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy What a joke some of you are...dont hide..come out in the open .....c'mon..Lill diddims...dont be scared....c'mon...thats a good little diddims'...
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 05:17 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
This is a good start, now what changes are going to happen so that you'all do a better job next time??


None. It's all about whose fault it is if a plane goes down. Like musical chairs.

Enraging thousands of passengers is nothing compared to that and a lot of people enjoy watching the sorry spectacle anyway. I certainly have done. It's great entertainment. The more shambolic the better.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 09:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Once again " as during the 2008 financial crisis and the more recent halt in European air traffic due to volcanic ash " European leaders have failed to surmount national interests and cobble together a coherent policy quickly enough to address a problem. In the process, they may have done permanent damage to the credibility of the European Union.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/30/world/europe/30europe.html?hp

Now lets see...who was it who said that EU leaders FAILED......
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NO, Considering that closing the European airspace causes billions if not tens of billions of dollars a day in economic damage they had a responsibility to consider the full ramifications of their actions. This was immature decision making, we should expect better out of our leaders.

Post: # 3,969,226 hawkeye10
got a neg 1 vote rating too....figures, being right is not always popular

Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 10:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
being right is not always popular
You can be wrong and later they will think "I like so-and-so...they stick up for what they believe in" but if you are right..nothing but anger from them. People want others around them who tell them they are right, not those who tell them they are wrong.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 10:24 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
People want others around them who tell them they are right, not those who tell them they are wrong


All true, but you left out the best part.......try pointing out how they are sheep. OMG, they are ready to kill for that offense.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 05:40 am
@hawkeye10,
Are you patting yourself on the back because AIrlines have decided to resume flights over N Europe? Several conditions have prevailed which were backed by new evidence that came from running test flights through and over theash.

1"Ash" had begun to decline as the volcano went into another phase of eruption which produced more lava rather than just clastic ****.

2Wind patterns changed just before the volcano went into the second phase.

In no case was it a "ballsy" or macho decision as your posts seem to indicate , Neither was it the product of "Right wing" political beliefs. Airlines and Air Services are not irresponsible in how they send planes out to fly through what is essentially a layer of flying sediment.They made the determinations after only 4 or more days of evaluation and information. No one can deny the Britsih AIrline incident yers ago wherein a plane was stalled out by an ash cloud.

Everything is a teaching moment. The volcanoes that live in Iceland are many (about 128 actives and dormants) and the country is the product of the mid Atlantic ridge and plate tectonics. If Hekla,an even bigger volcano blows its top, it will be a worse day (or MAny days) for europe.



[im g] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Volcanic_system_of_Iceland-Map-en.svg/726px-Volcanic_system_of_Iceland-Map-en.svg.png [/img]
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 08:05 am
Ireland cancelled flights because of another puff from the volcano

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=news+flights+cancelled+in+Ireland+due+to+volcano&hl=en&prmd=n&source=univ&tbs=nws:1&tbo=u&ei=S8ziS9f8CcqGkAWCrdzqDw&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQsQQwAA
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