THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

@JTT,

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Stop this ******* nonsense, Hawkeye. Bill has had less to do with what's happened than I have and I've had nothing to do with it.

Miss William is into the negatives ????

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@BillRM,

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No indeed as it would be nice if we stop kicking people out that we badly need to fight that war!

Individuals dont matter much in military effort, it is the strength of the group, or the lack there of, that determines success or failure. You claim to be a military man, no way do you not know this. I have to assume that you are lacking in honesty in order to win your point.

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@JTT,

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I actually want it to be about your reasons, which I must remind you, again, after how many reminders, are not available for viewing.

And thuis is because you are too fat and lazy to go back through the thread to where you replied to them the first time...or are you dripping sarcasm again ?

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Oh, why, oh why did I foolishly listen to my own 24 years experience ?

That's been asked in pretty much every counter post. Now it's up to you to stop whining and post your reasons.

Got it ! You are sarcastic, I whine, it is not about you, it is about me, nothing was said in the posts you responded to, you cant go back through and read it, we have to post it again . Are you ******* mad or deluded with your own importance ? You are a PC thug who wants to be proven right and will accept nothing less.

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@DrewDad,

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have you made up your mind about whether the U.S. has an effective military yet?

have you answered yes or no to have you stopped beating your wife/boyfriend ?

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Or are you still in some kind of quantum uncertainty where the U.S. military is both effective and not effective?

You can not understand winning a two sided contest can be done better with less loss. As you have no military knowledge just a PC guidebook, why dont you excuse yourself on the grounds of bias and lack of knowledge.

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@hawkeye10,

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You claim to be a military man, no way do you not know this. I have to assume that you are lacking in honesty in order to win your point.

Sorry but I never did claimed to had been a military man you must had gotten me confused with someone else.

In any case there is always key people such as language experts that it would hurt like hell to lost.

It memory serve me correctly a numbers of these fairly rare people had been kick out for the sin of being gay of late.

Second even in the average solder we have one hell of an investment in training just to kick him or her out for nonsense during a war.

We do not line up a big block of people anymore and have them all shoot in the direction of the enemy any longer.

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@DrewDad,

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his 24 years of military experience informs him that gays undermine "unit cohesion". Gays have hit on him, and it makes him very uncomfortable.

So if a man hits on a woman she is at fault for feeling uncomfortable ? Interesting theory...run it past our local lesbian/libbie rep.

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Mysterman has posted his own military experience, which is that gays do not undermine combat effectiveness.

Yes but you have already decided military experience is worthless in determining military problems and providing military solutions.

So which is it ? Are we counting military experience or are we not, because picking and chosing like that just makes you look like a hypocrite.

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@BillRM,

Sorry,my mistake. Think of basketball then.....you can get ten guys, and put the most technically skilled five all on the same team, but if they don't work together and the other guys work together as a well functioning team the collection of five individuals have a good chance of losing .

Edit: the argument is that the coach's (officers) can "make" them play as a team even after gays are allowed to be open.....maybe yes, maybe no....but the belief is not supported with anything at the moment. I would like to see what the O-3's have to say, those young guys that are going to have to implement this policy.

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@BillRM,

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No indeed as it would be nice if we stop kicking people out that we badly need to fight that war!

It was you PC clowns that got us into that mess in the first place. We have always had homosexuals and have only thrown them out when they interfere with military discipline. They are using their homosexuality to avoid their duty to their country. Just like a lot of women, if the going gets tough, get pregnant.

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@Ionus,

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It was you PC clowns that got us into that mess in the first place. We have always had homosexuals and have only thrown them out when they interfere with military discipline. They are using their homosexuality to avoid their duty to their countr

Excellent point, I think it is France or Italy that still does this, they have no official policy on gays, they deal with social problems in the units on a case by case basis.

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@hawkeye10,

Yes let think of a small team going into harm way with one of their members being gay.

There is no way being in such a tight group that it is not known if not talk about that the man carrying the squad machine gun bullets prefer men to women.

For some strange reason however keeping alive is far more important to you then who he screw on his R&R and he is an old hand that had proven himself in life and death situations.

Then just before the next patrol he is taken away and replaced with a new guy because someone up the chain had reported him for being gay.

So your reaction is oh wonderful that we now have an unknown soldier who we have no clue if he will keep the squad light machine gun feed or not under fire.

After all the most important thing to you is that the new man is likely not gay!

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@Ionus,

More whining and avoidance.

You've been invited any number of times to explain your position in detail, but you keep refusing to do so.

Call us when you find your balls.

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@hawkeye10,

OH and that is the Randa think tank approach that we punish or throw anyone out who cause discipline problems including bigots that so not like blacks or women or gays.

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@Ionus,

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his 24 years of military experience informs him that gays undermine "unit cohesion". Gays have hit on him, and it makes him very uncomfortable.
So if a man hits on a woman she is at fault for feeling uncomfortable ? Interesting theory...run it past our local lesbian/libbie rep.

I didn't say you were wrong for feeling uncomfortable; you're seeing things that aren't there.

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Mysterman has posted his own military experience, which is that gays do not undermine combat effectiveness.
Yes but you have already decided military experience is worthless in determining military problems and providing military solutions.

So which is it ? Are we counting military experience or are we not, because picking and chosing like that just makes you look like a hypocrite.

Yawn.

Personal experience is personal experience, that's the point. You have your personal experience, which is valid for you and you alone, and it should not form policy for the entire military. Mysteryman has his experience, which is valid for him and him alone, and also should not form the policy for the entire military.

We have offsetting personal experiences, so yes, personal experience is not sufficient.

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@BillRM,

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For some strange reason however keeping alive is far more important to you then who he screw on his R&R and he is an old hand that had proven himself in life and death situations

the people probably would decide to work together rather than die together. But if you go back to the original basis for this thread you will find out that one of the main reasons that 8,000 muslims got killed in the UN "safe Area" is that the UN command above was blind. In the days running up to the serbs circling the area the dutch were well aware of what the serbs were doing, but they did not take the time to write the reports. Had they felt that not writing the reports would case them death they probably would have done it, but as it turned out all it meant was that 8,000 other people died, and they failed in their mission.

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@BillRM,

Dont let facts get in the way of a PC stance, but there was a documentary on homosexuals in the miltary. The british were landing at Normandy and the homosexual and his unit were in a landing craft, when he turned around and said to all the men who were very stressed "Oh dear, I hope I remember to shoot them instead of kissing them..." and everyone laughed.

You know nothing of the military, you know nothing of how this was handled before, and you know nothing of how it will be handled in the future. We have always had homosexuals, we knew who they were, and they were accepted on a case by case basis. Sexual relations between members of the military destroys morale and disciplne, but we will never change this so long as the top brass have female drivers to **** when they are away from home and PCers are the bigots and hypocrites they so loudly proclaim others to be.

The current mess was driven by the PC bigots, and you have no creditability left. You have provided no solutions for the mess already made, you have simply denied it exists.

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@DrewDad,

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More whining

I was being "dripping with sarcasm"...

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Call us when you find your balls.

Found them.

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@DrewDad,

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Yawn.

Ok mister, milk and cookies and then nappy time for you.

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We have offsetting personal experiences, so yes, personal experience is not sufficient.

No we dont. If we have the same level of qualifications and experience in the same areas then we can compare them but we are not entitled to discount either at any stage. Are you saying if two kids go to school they must be equal in their opinion of school ?

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@BillRM,

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OH and that is the Randa think tank approach that we punish or throw anyone out who cause discipline problems including bigots that so not like blacks or women or gays.

Did they also say that women who form relations in the military are doing harm and should be thrown out ? What about blacks who play the race card to their advantage ? What about homosexuals who only join for other benefits and then get out as quickly as they can ?

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@DrewDad,

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I didn't say you were wrong for feeling uncomfortable; you're seeing things that aren't there.

Then why did you mention it ? Just ranting ?

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@hawkeye10,

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people probably would decide to work together rather than die together.

I had work with co-workers who I had known was gay for years not in a life and death situations but in a day in and day out one.

Some I like as people some I did not like but I could had care less who they screw on their free time.

The only thing that did matter to me is did they know their jobs and did they do it.

Somehow I question that it matter in the military if the man screw women or men on his R&R if he know his job and is able to do it under fire.

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serbs were doing, but they did not take the time to write the reports.

Once more what does that have to do with them having a few gay members or not? The reports would have been written if there was not gays among them fro some strange reason and was not written because of the gay members?

Off hand the fact I had a gay co-worker or not never interfere or matter in my doing my paperwork and writing needed reports.

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