THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

@BillRM,

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Hate to tell this but we did indeed won the war

Bullshit, the universal opinion of the guys who had been in ww2, seen a superior military grind down and crush the opposition, was that Korea was a cluster ****,

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@Diest TKO,

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Have some balls hawkeye. I dare you.

He sure does have some balls if not commonsense and as I had already stated we won the goals we started with in Koran just not the expanded ones that the military unwisely talk Truman into later on.

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@hawkeye10,

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Whether our poor performance was caused or partly

What poor preformed are you talking about as our foot soldiers given the situation form start to finish did amazing well.

It was decisions at the joint Chief and above level that cause the problems not small units behaviors.

First throwing in units piece meal without a large percent of their equipments including not even having anti-tank rounds for the artillery that was still in Japan so we got cut up in details to start with. That is hardly the fault of the small units dump into hell.

In any case without fighting that war over I see little or not indication that our foot soldiers did not do well and in the end achieved the goals first set for them.

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@hawkeye10,

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was that Korea was a cluster ****,

We agree on something it was a cluster **** but it have nothing to do with the foot soldiers or social engineering.

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@BillRM,

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We agree on something it was a cluster **** but it have nothing to do with the foot soldiers or social engineering.

I have no idea, but absent knowing from reputable sources that the integration of blacks was not part of the problem the watch word is caution with the integration of open gays. You may or may not know what you are talking about, but I dont know you.

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@hawkeye10,

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seen a superior military grind down and crush the opposition

Another fun note we was not fighting WW2 as we did not put 16 million men or so back into uniform and gone once more to a full war footing.

If we had been willing to pay that kind of a price we would had wipe the floor with the Chinese in short order but that is beside the point as once more that decision of how must resources we was willing to used have also zero to do with our foot soldiers or the social engineering of having blacks in units with whites.

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@BillRM,

All I know is from watching MASH and listening to Officers talk about the legacy of the integration project....both lead me to believe that it was anything but smooth. Or quick.

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@hawkeye10,

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I have no idea, but absent knowing from reputable sources that the integration of blacks was not part of the problem the watch word is caution with the integration of open gays. You may or may not know what you are talking about, but I dont know you.

LOL, So we should now removed blacks from military units with whites to be on the safe side?

Sorry your position have zero foundation in logic or common sense concerning blacks in 1948 or gays in 2010.

Once more modern militaries had have open gay members for some time in combat and still remain first rate.

Forces that unit for unit are at least equal to ours as a matter of fact.

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@hawkeye10,

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but smooth. Or quick.

Of course it was not smooth or quick as a great numbers of the high command fought it tooth and nail.

The lesson here to me seem to be that anyone in the command structure that drag their feet over the matter of gays should be removed at once.

Not that we should not had have place blacks into units with whites but that Truman should had fired a great numbers of foot draggers.

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@BillRM,

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The lesson here to me seem to be that anyone in the command structure that drag their feet over the matter of gays should be removed at once.

or maybe the lesson is to not try to do social engineering during war, wait until we have time to do it right, and people dont die as a consequence of the termoil in the force.

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@BillRM,

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When President Truman order the arm forces to be integrated, the then Joint Chiefs drag their feet and fought a delaying action for as long as possible.
Many men with many stars on their shoulder tabs turned out to be racial bigots in 1948, so why not have such men being homophone now?

And they were right to do so...look at all the obstacles in society that stood in the way of integration...it did affect the armies performance...ever heard of Vietnam ? When you civilian clowns who are so knowledgable on military matters gat your act together than the army can follow. It is not a card room for social debates. Your definition of a bigot still does not include yourself...why is that bigot ?

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@BillRM,

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One interesting question is once it become as silly to attack gays for being in the military as it is now to attack blacks what other groups are people like Ionus going to go after?

One interesting question is once it becomes as silly to attack gays for being in the military as it is now to attack blacks what other groups are people like miss William going to defend?

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@BillRM,

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Now the real interesting question is what will future bigots be whining about if they no longer had gays, blacks or Jews as subjects of their hate?

Now the real interesting question is what will future bigots be whining about if they no longer had gays, blacks or Jews as subjects of their love?

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@Diest TKO,

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The end product is the same hawkeye. In the end, the statement is that homosexuals serving in the military provide an excuse to others for not doing their job. Fault to the gays. The assertion is crazy!

The assertion is that you dont know and wont listen to any other opinion. It does interfere with others doing their job. You cant understand this because your job consists of pushing paper around and you can do this even with a tampon stuck up your arse to prevent leakage..so no problem to you is it ?

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This isn't social engineering. Social engineering would be putting gays in the military when they had no interest in doing so or when it could be proven that they could not serve. Both are not the case.

Despite a complete lack of knowledge you keep mouthing the same stupidity. The problem is sex within a combat unit. Stay focused and try not to fall behind.

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If the "leaders" in the Netherlands had said this, let them say it.

Clearly you know as much about politics a s you do about the military. Look at the trouble it caused for someone removed from the time and place to say it. How much trouble do you think it will cause a dutch officer to say it ? And would you believe it then ? Of course not. Up would go the blinkers..."nah nah nah I am not listening...I know everything already..I cant be told anything nah nah..."

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@BillRM,

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Social engineering like placing blacks and white soldiers together in the same units and then fighting the Koren war?

When they werent allowed to ride anywhere on a bus or use the same toilets. it was gross stupidity. Sort it out in society first..then the military.

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@hawkeye10,

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or maybe the lesson is to not try to do social engineering during war, wait until we have time to do it right, and people dont die as a consequence of the termoil in the force.

And when have we not have our military in harm way in the last hundred years or so to at least the degree we are engage now?

What we had going on now hardly reach the level of a Koran or Vietnam less alone WW2 or WW1.

As far as turmoil in the forces you somehow do not think that this stupid policy of do not ask, do not tell is not causing turmoil?

That by keeping this kind of sword hanging over gay soldiers and their comrades, friends and unit mates you are not causing all kinds of problems within fighting units?

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@Diest TKO,

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Are you saying that the end product of the Korean War was due to integration of blacks into the Army? If you aren't, then it really doesn't hurt Bill's argument.

Ever wondered how one of only two football teams win ? It surely doesnt help if you weaken one side with social engineering before you complete it in society first.

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@Ionus,

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Sort it out in society first..then the military.

This time unlike the blacks in the military in 1948 the society is way ahead of the military so that is not a large issue.

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@BillRM,

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In any case without fighting that war over I see little or not indication that our foot soldiers did not do well and in the end achieved the goals first set for them.

This is so typical of you. You do not see any problems with any of your bigotry. The world will have to adjust and thats not your fault, you are only waving a magic wand. Achieving a result is different than achieving a result with the minimum of casualties.

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@BillRM,

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This time unlike the blacks in the military in 1948 the society is way ahead of the military so that is not a large issue.

sort of....it runs about 80/20 in favor of homosexuality not being criminal or a disorder, but 50/50 re gay unions....once the military integrates they are going to have to allow gay partners full marriage benifits.....it is not the slam dunk you indicate.

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