Do you think the Pope should resign?

How 'bout not comparing the sexual exploitation of children by officers of the Catholic Church to the peddling of over-sweetened corn flakes to those same children?

LOL So, the church is to be given credit for being sure that there are plenty of children to be born to be molested by the priests?

God logic there my friend.

LOL promoting the eating of food too high in sugar and salt is the same level of misdeal as sexual abusing preteen children!!!!!!!!!

You are a laugh a minute.

The relative figures are not even slightly comparable. The one, shocking though it is, is a rogue and evil incident, and for sure there are some more, but the other is not an incident and is affecting millions of kids and, seemingly, with your approval. And with relish by the overpaid advertising executives.

It's as if a few members of the American military can discredit the whole department of defence.

The President didn't resign over Abu Graib. Or Mai Lai. Or Faluga. Or Agent Orange. And those are minor examples comparatively speaking. Nobody, so far as I know, has dealt with Bhopal yet. And a load of goods at bargain prices in the shops are made with child labour.

My my you do come up with interesting logic as to why the head of an organization who had have a long long sad history of not only shielding pedophiles but allowing them to go on molesting children should not be hold to account for his actions or lack of same.

A few rouges and you are jumping all over it. That is distortion however you look at it. One has to wonder why.

A few random pedophiles you got to be kidding me!!!!!!!

If the church had not found itself paying hundreds of millions of dollars in civil judgments it would not even now be in the position of pretending to care for the welfare of the children of it members.

Sorry but the church have a long history of harming children as a church please see the stories of what happen to children place in it sole custody in Ireland for an example of this.

See below taking note of the words hundreds of priests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases#Ireland

Ireland
Starting in the 1990s a series of criminal cases and Irish government enquiries established that hundreds of priests had abused thousands of impressionable children in previous decades. In many cases the abusing priests had been moved by senior clergy to other parishes to avoid embarrassment or scandal. By 2010 a number of in-depth judicial reports had been published, but with relatively few prosecutions. The abuse was occasionally made known to staff at the Department of Education, the police and other government bodies, who have said that prosecuting clergy was extremely difficult given the "Catholic ethos" of the Irish Republic.

In 1994 Micheal Ledwith resigned as President of St Patrick's College, Maynooth when allegations of sexual abuse were made public. In June 2005 Denis McCullough reported that a number of bishops had rejected concerns about Ledwith's inappropriate behavior towards seminarians "so completely and so abruptly without any adequate investigation" although his report conceded that "to investigate in any very full or substantial manner, a generic complaint regarding a person’s apparent propensities would have been difficult”.[48]

One of the most notorious cases of sex abuse in Ireland involved Brendan Smyth, who, between 1945 and 1989, sexually abused and indecently assaulted twenty children in parishes in Belfast, Dublin and the United States.[49] Controversy over the handling of his extradition to Northern Ireland led to the 1994 collapse of the Fianna Fáil/Labour coalition government.[50]

There's one problem with those Church membership figures, Spendi. They are grossly inflated. The record-keepers of the Roman Catholic Church count as 'Catholics' everybody and anybody who has been baptized a Catholic. This, then, includes all those people who are not now and some who have never been 'practicing' Catholics. That's how one gets the 'more than a billion' figure. Other churches don't use that kind of bogus statistic. In the Church of England, you're counted as a member if you are, in fact, a member of a particular parish. If you've decided to convert to Islam, you're no longer counted as a member. To say that Catholics comprise 50 percent of all Christians today is absurd on the face of it.

andy, breeding more catholics is part of the religion.

You might wish to look at the following report "A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States, by Robert S. Bennett et al., prepared by the National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Young People.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/usccb/causesandcontext/report-2004-02-27.htm

This is a study done under the direction of the church itself not evil atheists!

Certain bad scenarios/crimes do not ever mitigate other crimes/bad scenarios, Spendius. That's a completely vacuous argument.

I know that JT. I imagine everybody knows it. It's basically what I am saying. The first refuge of the immoral is the vociferous expression of moral outrage which then buries other aspects of the general immorality and deflects attention away from them and when the barrage of moral outrage is large enough those expressing it are seen to be covered in grace and innocence despite them being on board with 45.5 million abortions in the USA since 1973 and much else besides.

The expressions of moral outrage also serve to keep in the forefront of the consciousness the subject on which they are excercised.

We live in a world of flawed human beings. It is to be deplored but there it is.
Media must believe such stories sell well.

One has to wonder why. Does the Catholic Church worry you all that much? Why don't you get down to brass tacks and agitate for the organisation to be proscribed. It has been before. If you don't you are conniving at the risks you claim exist.

And it's all about what beasts men are too. Perhaps SCUM are right. Men should be eradicated.

The church worries me not at all, Spendius. The criminality is the sole issue and it must be dealt with on its own merits.

A group that urges individuals to keep current on confessing their sins ought not to have been covering up these egregious sins for so long. What in that type of behavior could even be considered worthy of the word 'church'?

It is not only the Catholic Church which keeps confession a secret so does the Lutheran Church.
I know in Denmark there is now a discussion if this is right or wrong. The priest want to keep the secret of the confession.
How about psychologists, pychacatrist and doctors? Are they not also supposed to keep certain things said as a secret?
The majority of confessions have nothing to do with criminality so there has to be a line between confession and confession of criminality.
In some ways I am for the secret of confession. Why? In the reformed church they do not have confession, but still people would tell their pastor about their problems. I know one pastor who then told his wife especially about marriage problems. She again told women at coffee get togethers all about these people even mentioning the names.
Once she told a lot about a woman. The husband had over the phone told me the other side of the marriage problem. Now I was supposed to tell my husband because of his job and his job is involved with not telling anybody.
Here I sit and cannot defend the husband because of secretess.
I wish that pastor´s wife had shut up her big mouth instead of telling half lies.

Breeding more whatever has long been a part of whatever religion. Whipping the rubes up to see abortion as murder is just a dodge.

Well, this is the first time I have ever heard the argument which would beg our pity upon child rapists because the frequency of their acts is less than the number of fast-food ads presented on the airwaves.

Joe(stunning)Nation

Nobody has used the word murder here. Murder is a legal category. Rubes is a category certain people use to try to pretend they are not rubes. The objective is to make out that abortion is okay. Like having a haircut.

Abortion is the deliberate killing, in gruesome circumstances, of the most defenceless form of human life, within the very body designed by evolution to protect it, for somebody's convenience who has clearly been defined as taking part in the act of generation without reference to its consequences and thus simply for selfish gratification. It represents an attack on Motherhood itself. It is misogyny at full pelt. By 2040 the figure will likely be 100,000,000. And fortunes will be generated.

47.5 million abortions since 1973 must leave a lot of Americans, and others, wondering if their parents had considered getting rid of them in a clinic. Even Ovid railed against it before Christianity appeared in the world. And he is a poet whose words will last as long as civilisation does and Setanta's words won't last two minutes.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states in articles 2271 and 2272 that " abortion willed either as an end or means, is gravely contrary to the moral law. And " Formal co-operation in an abortion constitutes a grave offence". And that " The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life."

None of which is applicable to non-Catholics and nothing whatever to do with "murder". It wasn't murder when it was illegal.

Anybody "whipping the rubes up to see abortion as murder" is as out on an individual limb as the Milwaukee priest was.

There are less people engaged in that than there are whipping up people to think of abortion as a convenient cosmetic to cover up irresponsible lust.

Well Joe-- you are the first to mention rape. None of the media sources here have chosen to use that word.

And I am not begging pity on anybody. I have already stated that the priests involved should be put to mending the roads.

Your eagerness betrays your lack of real interest.

And it is a well established notion that taking an advanced education in psychology, or something similar, at the expense of the taxpayers, and then using it to persuade millions of children to eat harmful foods, and getting big money for doing it, is a form of child abuse. Why else is the medical profession, which has to deal with the millions of victims down the line, agitating for such things to be made illegal. As is the case here.

It is also rendering health care so expensive that some people think it should only be available to the well off.

Sorry you do not think that a woman does not have a right not to carry a fetus to term and in fact have a duty to risk her health and very life to do so in your opinion.

A large fraction of the US population does in fact, along with the law as it now stands do not agree with your position, however there is no question or disagreement concerning child rape being wrong.

Well except for a few pedophiles members of NAMBLA who support child rape.

One matter had little and no connection with the other matter in any case.