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even if those don't include China in some way shape or form ?

 
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 03:35 pm
even if those don't include China in some way shape or form = even if those that don't include China in some way shape or form ?

"That" here has been improperly missed out?

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But Standard and Poor's equity analyst Scott Kessler says even if the issue comes to a head and Google pulls the plug in China, the company will remain strong.

SCOTT KESSLER: Its current prospects, and even if those don't include China in some way shape or form, we still think there are a lot of reasons that investors should like the shares at this current level.

TIMOTHY MCDONALD: Mona Chung is a lecturer at Deakin University's School of Business and an expert on doing business in China.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 04:01 pm
No, it's right as it stands. It wouldn't be if you changed it.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 04:03 pm
He's saying Google shares look good, no matter whether Google is in China or not.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 04:04 pm
He was thinking on his feet, it's not the best-phrased sentence he could have said, but that's what he meant.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 04:12 pm
He could have said something like, "We still think there are a lot of reasons that investors should like Google shares at this current level, based on the company's prospects, whether it's in China or not." But he was winging it, thinking of his answer as he went along, rather than performing a pre-written script, and when you do that, things don't always come out formally perfect.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 04:08 pm
Well, thanks.
I don't know what "in some way shape or form" means.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 04:27 pm
@oristarA,
It looks like you've recently been running up against quite a few of English-language expressions/idioms that are unfamiliar to you.

There is an expression "in no way, shape or form"

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http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_no_way,_shape,_or_form

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in no way, shape, or form

English
Adverb

in no way, shape, or form (not comparable)

Positive
in no way, shape, or form

1. (idiomatic) Not in any way at all; not at all, nohow.

Categories: English adverbs | English idioms




The speaker has modified the expression.



ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 04:29 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

"That" here has been improperly missed out?


Has "that" been left out here?
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oristarA
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 11:09 pm
@ehBeth,
Thank you.

So "Its current prospects, and even if those don't include China in some way shape or form" = "Its current prospects, and even if those don't include China at all"? = "Its current prospects, and even without China at all"?
High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 12:42 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

Thank you.

So "Its current prospects, and even if those don't include China in some way shape or form" = "Its current prospects, and even if those don't include China at all"? = "Its current prospects, and even without China at all"?

"Its current prospects, even completely excluding China" would be fine.

Now, Oristar, you have been helped by a number of people on this site over the years, so I hope you'll return the courtesy by taking a look at the original post on this thread http://able2know.org/topic/143152-1#post-3943911 and telling the rest of us what you think of the original poster. Thank you.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 02:51 am
re High Seas:

well, this should certainly be interesting.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 05:56 am
@High Seas,
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Now, Oristar, you have been helped by a number of people on this site over the years, so I hope you'll return the courtesy by taking a look at the original post on this thread http://able2know.org/topic/143152-1#post-3943911 and telling the rest of us what you think of the original poster. Thank you.


I'm honoured to make the return of the courtesy. Very Happy

Did you refer to the thread titled "WOuld it be good for the USA and CHINA to have a nuclear war " posted by DMKTENN ?

What I've thought about the thread starter when my eye touched upon the headline is an intuitional reflection: Is the thread starter a war maniac (is there a customary usage like this in English? )?

I checked out the poster's profile, but no more information about the guy to be found. So one of the best ways to judge him(or probably her) objectively is read through all his/her postings. And that would take time to complete.

Unfortunately, I've had a sore throat since last night, and right now have had a headache too. So I will trim our discussion down to one of his posts, about which you've offered the link.

Personally, I think that only warmongers would advocate "it is good to wage a neclear war between US and China." American political system, though not flawless, is so far one of the best systems that human minds can construct. The most urgent duty of China is eliminate bonegnashed poverty around this nation and improve peaceful Sino-American relationship, not launch nuke against the beautiful country opposite.

So you see that thread starter has made a mistake by posting something like that. I will not try to judge his/her character. Because scientific common sense tells me "Don't jump to conclusion by analyzing only one case" till having got enough statistical data.




High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 06:35 am
@oristarA,
Thank you very much. You're right one shouldn't jump to conclusions based on insufficient data - especially if no immediate action is called for. In this case, the reference seems to be to a video game called "Fallout 3". Last but not least, I know I speak for many here in wishing you to get well soon Smile
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 07:05 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Its current prospects, and even if those don't include China in some way shape or form, we still think there are a lot of reasons that investors should like the shares at this current level.

"Those" refers to "prospects", so the sentence is correct as written.

"Some way, shape, or form" is a saying in the U.S. which means "in some way, in some shape, or in some form".

The sentence could be re-written as "even if Google's current prospects don't include China in some way, we still think there are a lot of reasons that investors should like the current stock share price."
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