Trolls, or trolling behaviour ...how do we deal with these isues as an online community?

@Cycloptichorn,

Lazlow, the guy who programs the radio stations and tv channels for GTA is a good friend of Opie & Anthony (Sirius/XM), Anthony sings the commercial and lots of guys from their radio show and the Ron & Fez show do voices on the games

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@hawkeye10,

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there are still a good number of us around a2k who are not by nature deferential and soothing. It would be a good idea for the rest of you to get over it. At some point you need to take people as they are, not try to change them. Equally or more a problem is the modern tendency to obsess about style and other superficial stuff...This is a huge problem with moderns, who routinely fail to learn the value of things, learn how to sensibly prioritize.

I don't think courtesy is simply deferential and soothing (read smarm). Not that I'm all that successful at it myself. When I am not courteous - or at least not abrasive - and straightforward at the same time, which is an art that takes some work if one has energy for one's opinions, it is yet another failure on my part. Courtesy acknowledges the other person's possession of a thinking process in the works and has a subtext of the possibility of being an imperfect being re all possible judgement issues oneself. It is an underlayment for discussion that can leave one or the other or both people coming away with more understanding. I don't think this is a superficial palliative. It is a recognition of the potential for discussing with others.

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@hawkeye10,

You are fooling yourself if you think that people's objections to you have anything to do with your style.

We object to your substance. To the contents of your posts.

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@dlowan,

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We object to your substance. To the contents of your posts.

Objecting to someone voicing their opinion, making an argument and supporting said argument is grossly uncivil behaviour.....are you sure that you don't want to retract your statement?

Oh, that's right, you're an Australian. You all don't believe in freedom down there, in the land of Internet censorship and classifying nudes of anyone under the AOC as criminal pornography. Is it a crime yet to say anything negative about a person of Indian Descent?

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Here's a post where plainoldme seems to be trolling for my posts. She jumped right in for no apparent reason.

Shall we publicly [verbally] flog her too?

http://able2know.org/topic/89938-307#post-3942767

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Ah, here s/he is . . . insulting other posters and huffing and puffing.

Shall I correct her/his grammar and really set her/him off?

She accuses me of insulting other posters [which didn't happen]...and then states that she may just be looking to pick a 'fight'.

I don't like these types of posts.

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@hawkeye10,

This is one of those times when getting negative attention is better than no attention at all, isn't it?

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@hawkeye10,

Hey, Hawk, we all know you're an insufferable jerk. But this particular post of yours is even below your usual low standards. You sure know how to lose friends and alienate people, don't you?

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@dlowan,

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We object to your substance. To the contents of your posts.

Can anyone join and become part of this 'we'? Are there dues payable or do you just have to surrender your brain? When a person has their "substance" vilified are we still allowed to make a personal choice or do the club rules rule?

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@Merry Andrew,

He must have read the book...or saw the movie.

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@JPB,

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This is one of those times when getting negative attention is better than no attention at all, isn't it?

if you are talking about my response to the rabbit the answer is no. The point, which you seemed to have missed, is that we come to a2k with different cultural expectations. Do you think that her bashing of me, Olga's complain , and the wide spread infringement on personal liberties in Australia are not related? I think that they are.

She can defend herself and her people if she wishes and as she sees fit, and I am afforded the same privilege. She chose to be aggressive towards me in this thread and I responded in kind. But according to you it is me who is in the wrong...right?

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@hawkeye10,

No, I think you came into this thread looking for your regular pissing match and found one. The one you're pissing with on this page may be dlowan. One another page it could be Rob or any number of other folks. I think you're an equal opportunity pisser just looking for someone to piss off.

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@Merry Andrew,

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Hey, Hawk, we all know you're an insufferable jerk. But this particular post of yours is even below your usual low standards. You sure know how to lose friends and alienate people, don't you?

And as usual not a single thing I said has been shown to be wrong. You dont like what i said, so what? a lot of stuff in this world I dont like either, but there it is anyways.

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@hawkeye10,

Try a dictionary and look uo the difference between "censure" and "censor".

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@JPB,

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No, I think you came into this thread looking for your regular pissing match and found one. The one you're pissing with on this page may be dlowan. One another page it could be Rob or any number of other folks. I think you're an equal opportunity pisser just looking for someone to piss off.

and with upon you making assumptions about my motives you now feel free to disregard anything I say right, because you don't confront any of it. Nice way to rationalize your avoidance.

edit; if you were to follow my posting history you would see that I feel strongly about the importance of liberty for the individual. That is the basis for my objection to Olga and others who are determined to sedate a2k to death. A person who is not free to express unpopular opinions is not a free person.

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@hawkeye10,

I've always felt free to disregard anything you say. I seldom comment to you because I seldom have anything to say that hasn't been said by countless others. I think you enjoy the fight and I'm not a fighter. Nor does piling on do anything beyond giving you the attention that you seem to crave.

As it happens, I too feel strongly about the importance of liberty for the individual. OTOH, there's a time and place for everything and I agree with MsOlga that folks who jump into threads for the sole purpose of derailing the discussion detract from the enjoyment of the site.

You'll continue to look for pissing matches regardless of what anyone says here. Not wanting to get embroiled in one is all the rationalization I need to avoid your posts.

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@JPB,

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You'll continue to look for pissing matches regardless of what anyone says here

it is about testing ones ideas against others, others who dont share my life experience and whom may be better at supporting their opinions or who may be smarter than me, or who may not share my blind spots.

but to you it is all a pissing contest...of no value it seems.

You dont know if you are right until you test your beliefs. I encourage you to have the courage to test your reality.

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@hawkeye10,

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edit; if you were to follow my posting history you would see that I feel strongly about the importance of liberty for the individual.

Particularly the rough n tough, ultra-masculine super-duper he man sort of individual's liberty! Smile

Indeed, you've said it & said it & said it, hawkeye.

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That is the basis for my objection to Olga and others who are determined to sedate a2k to death.

And it is possible to render people comatose by repeating the same thing over & over ... no matter what the thread subject might be.
It just all seems to boil down to the one "issue" to you, hawkeye. That one issue might be really exciting for you, it might even seem relevant to just about every discussion going to you .... but count me in on the "we" who disagree with that assessment.

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@Merry Andrew,

Don't assist him to ruin another thread by responding to him on MY account.

(I shouldn't have.)

On the odd occasion when I look at his posts, and he is attacking me, he has as much effect as a butterfly's farts upon the cosmos.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10-

I am sure that you have noted that people who cannot challenge you or appear to be unable to counter your ideas, dismiss your ideas by attacking you as an individuals. People like that admit thier shortcomings by doing so. If they were really eager to learn or. on the other hand, certain that you were mistaken, they would either agree with you or attempt to discredit your ideas. Alas, most of the contributors on these threads cannot do either.

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@MASSAGAT,

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I am sure that you have noted that people who cannot challenge you or appear to be unable to counter your ideas

Actually, I don't think so! Smile

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If they were really eager to learn or. on the other hand, certain that you were mistaken, they would either agree with you or attempt to discredit your ideas. Alas, most of the contributors on these threads cannot do either.

We have had plenty of opportunity to "learn". The same line keeps being repeated again & again.

What exactly do you think we should be "learning" that we're missing?

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