Trolls, or trolling behaviour ...how do we deal with these isues as an online community?

@High Seas,

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Well whoever that is it can't be Setanta - he's no stalker - but why do you care if your posts are downgraded?

I dont think it is setanta or famerman. They have been upfront in their disagreement and clearly this is not them. I dont care if my posts are downgraded if it is done for the right reason, but sneaky revenge is something I choose not to promote.

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@High Seas,

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I thought you supported freedom of expression on the internet?

I do but not freedom to organise crimes. I dont think anywhere should have that freedom. Discusion of these matters and how to deal with them could easily turn into a forum for affecionados.

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@Ionus,

i'm one of those sick individuals that actually thumbs up thumbed down posts

i find the thumb and ignore ridiculous features

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@msolga,

I see no reason for you to change who you are.

You may:

a. Remain the same AND respond to trolls as though they they are reasonable human beings and be continue to be very distressed from time to time.

b. Remain the same and NOT respond to trolls as though they are reasonable human beings.

c. Ignore the smeggers.

I am sorry that you have included me in the ranks of those you seem to believe are blaming you. I don't, I blame the trolls. However, given that they will remain here, I am distressed by your distress, and wish that you would take some steps to limit that distress.

I wish that others who are distressed would do the same. I wish that they were still dealt with by mods, and I found Jes's response to you pretty goddam rude and insensitive and unhelpful.

However, the facts are as they are, and they are, and they are not going to change. I find the nouveau regime distressing at times too, but I accept that it was imposed with great thought, and good will, and is reality based.

What HAS changed is that I will no longer attempt to comment to you upon strategies that I think might be helpful to you, as you clearly consider my comments attacking.

They were not intended as such.

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@High Seas,

The Nazi threads don't interest me, although there is a sort of "My God! What is wrong with these people ? ! ? ! ?" sort of fascination with the people who come here to tell us Hitler wasn't really that bad, or that National Socialism did some good things. I respond to those threads, though, because we have quite a few young members who come here who may read those threads and know no better. So, i usually take the time to respond and point out that National Socialism did nothing good, and that the measures usually paraded as "good" accomplishments of National Socialism were in fact enacted by the Weimar government. I take the time to point out that Hitler was an idiot, whose only talent was gutter politics, without a clue in military matters, and the best friend the Allies had in the European war from a military point of view. The subject is sufficiently emotive, and the view of Hitler and the National Socialists sufficiently distorted in society in general, and not just online, that i consider the effort to be justified.

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@djjd62,

yeah, me too ! It appeals to my egalitarian nature ! I do it for no better reason than someone was getting past the negative one and that looks like eliteism to me. I refuse to acknowledge there is an ignore button. Surely someone made that up.

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@dlowan,

dlowan wrote:

...I am sorry that you have included me in the ranks of those you seem to believe are blaming you. I don't, I blame the trolls. However, given that they will remain here, I am distressed by your distress, and wish that you would take some steps to limit that distress.

I wish that others who are distressed would do the same. I wish that they were still dealt with by mods, and I found Jes's response to you pretty goddam rude and insensitive and unhelpful...

I am sorry; that was not my intention.

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@jespah,

I know it wasn't.

But that is how I experienced it, for whatever that is worth, and, while I am occasionally extremely frustrated by the new order, I am neither personally distressed by it any more (except sometimes when others are) nor fighting against it any more.

I imagine those distressed by how things are would have found it more attacking than I did.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

I have never understood the need for "thumbs up" or "thumbs down." I see the "thumbs up" feature as only reactive to the "thumbs down" option. I see the thumbs down function as essentially an internet equivalent of putting one's fingers in one's ears and saying "la-la-la-la, i can't hear you."

It just all seems silly to me. But then, there are a lot of features which are meaningless to me that others may appreciate.

If you read more about what Robert has said about the function of the thumbs down you may begin to see it in a more realistic light.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

The Nazi threads don't interest me, although there is a sort of "My God! What is wrong with these people ? ! ? ! ?" sort of fascination with the people who come here to tell us Hitler wasn't really that bad, or that National Socialism did some good things. I respond to those threads, though, because we have quite a few young members who come here who may read those threads and know no better. So, i usually take the time to respond and point out that National Socialism did nothing good, and that the measures usually paraded as "good" accomplishments of National Socialism were in fact enacted by the Weimar government. I take the time to point out that Hitler was an idiot, whose only talent was gutter politics, without a clue in military matters, and the best friend the Allies had in the European war from a military point of view. The subject is sufficiently emotive, and the view of Hitler and the National Socialists sufficiently distorted in society in general, and not just online, that i consider the effort to be justified.

Do u consider the effort to be equally justified qua International Socialism, Communism, for the same reasons ?

David

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

...Anyway, I came home from work tonight & checked out the "whales" thread. A dog's dinner of crap & irrelevancy. Trolls & "regulars". What was the thread topic again? Who knows? Who cares?

Farmerman and I, for starters - we posted on your thread today; it's turned the page on your thread, and I hope you'll do the same, metaphorically Smile

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

how do you read the thread titles of those you have on ignore

Robert has modified the code so that if you hover your mouse over the "view" in "user ignored (view)" or "topic voted down (view)" it will show a little pop-up with the thread title.

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

So, it appeared to be a problem with me, not the problem (which I thought I stated pretty clearly) of some debating threads on this forum, which I was hoping we could be able to discuss.

Well yes, in a way, it is a problem with you. You want to find a solution to the problem of trolls, but what you really have is a problem with your trolls. There's no standardized list of trolls here. Even for the ones that would satisfy that description in the eyes of most members (such as the multi-identitied possum) there isn't universal agreement.

Your trolls, in other words, may not be my trolls. Aidan, for instance, complained about trollish behavior in this thread, but defended ramafuchs, who apparently left A2K because so many people who identified him as a troll had him on ignore. So much for irony. Likewise, in the first few pages of this thread you responded to a poster who I happen to have on ignore. Clearly, then, our definitions of troll are vastly different. You may not like how trolls disrupt your threads, but then I happen to think you have very lax standards when it comes to identifying trollishness. In short, you want everyone to adopt your standards when it's clear that everyone should be adopting mine. Oh well, there's no reasoning with some people.

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Bottom line: there is always a black sheep in any family, isn't there?

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7052/blcksheep.jpg

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@DrewDad,

ah, have not had to use this, i did not know

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@OmSigDAVID,

Sure . . . and i've occasionally commented on the Soviet Union. But it is a mistake to consider communism in the Soviet Union to be identical to Maoist communism. It is also ludicrous to speak of "international socialism," given that there have been and continue to be many various forms of socialism, as conceived of by both political parties and governments.

But a point which you may be missing is that i don't author threads about Hitler or "National Socialism" (which wasn't socialism at all). I respond to threads that others start. If people started threads to attempt to glorify Joseph Stalin or Soviet Communism (which, after about 1930 was Stalinism--we really don't know what communism is like, because there's never been any such government--just Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, "Tito-ism" and "Castro-ism; all other supposedly communist governments have just been variations on those themes), then i'd reply to them.

If there were a spate of pro-Stalin or pro-Soviet Union threads, i'd respond to them in the same manner. But there haven't been, while there have been many Hitler/National Socialism threads, and the ones that exist continue to draw the attention of newly arrived members.

Your attempt to suggest a political bias on my part is pathetic.

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@dlowan,

It has nothing to do with "realistic" Miss Wabbit. I just have no use for the functions myself. I've noted that others may find them useful. Don't try to twist what i've said.

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@djjd62,

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i'm one of those sick individuals that actually thumbs up thumbed down posts

That's two of us.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

It just all seems silly to me. But then, there are a lot of features which are meaningless to me that others may appreciate.

would it have more meaning for you if you considered the possible benefit to the 'community'?

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@Setanta,

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I see the thumbs down function as essentially an internet equivalent of putting one's fingers in one's ears and saying "la-la-la-la, i can't hear you."

And that's just not you, is it, Setanta?

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