@farmerman,
Progenitors is a nice way of saying that he shamelessly ripped things off from them, laughed about it, and used it to become famous and set himself for life.
Reading about Erasmus, he seems like an agreeable if portly chap. In alot of garden clubs , an abolitionist, a poet. Nice guy.
Charles on the other hand, I wouldn't want to meet in a back alley. The problem I have with Darwin is not so much his work (which again, is largely plagiarized) but his general demeanor. This is a man that is lionized for continuing to continuing his grandfather's abolition work. Frankly, I don't believe it. Charles is like one of those men who managed every advantage (wouldn't I like to travel the world by boat under pretext of research), yet remains ungrateful, spiteful, and cruel. Here's what he says about blacks and women.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2672903/
Again, I don't believe he was that big an abolitionist, and his writings paved the way for actually more inequality. Basically, I've met people like Charles Darwin before, and I want to hurt them. Every advantage, every reason for building humanity up, and instead they want other people to live on the fringes.
The articles that I read about the Irish elk said that it had the misfortune of being trapped on an island. In other words, had been able to flee, it might have found an area better suited for it, but the combination of its huge rack getting tangled in trees, and a relative scarcity of food on the island meant they were stuck in an area where they couldn't move around easily and couldn't get enough to eat.
Actually, what happens in nature is we see the original dance steps of the alpha male getting the blond and three other males getting no gal. We write papers about this sort of thing. How it's always the alpha who gets laid, because they have the brightest colors or biggest muscles or ummmm biggest rack.
But we have hummingbirds outside our door. When two males are there, they often do the sort of flying at each other to ward off. But the older males and the females don't do this. They get that everytime they fight with another male, that's nectar they aren't drinking, and the females are fine drinking nectar together. Likewise, while the people writing papers see the big dramatic alpha get the female, the beta of the wolf pack do in fact mate at least once. The blond gets her alpha, but the brunettes all hook up with someone off camera. Typically, only the omega gets left out of the whole picture, to howl mournfully at the moon. And once in a great while, and omega male meets an omega female, and they howl at the moon alone together. :heart_eyes: And yes, I'm talking about hummingbirds, wolves, and humans all in the same paragraph.
Darwin is the type A asshole, who only concerns himself with the big fight that the alpha wins. But if that were the whole story, in a group of four males and four females, only one of those gets to mate. Each generation, by that logic, diminishes by 1/4. Because the fittest survive, the others compete and fail, and there's no plan B. This is not what happens.