Is Evolution a Dangerous Idea? If so, why?

It is something no-one can understand unless they lie...Oh !....I see.....

You dont have a choice ! Definitions of bigot on the Web: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own .....at A2K, we call this putting someone on ignore.

It's a pretty silly thing to do in my opinion. Bad for one's public relations having everybody smirking at one without one knowing or being able to answer back.

And one gets stuck fast to it too. Setanta cannot now take me off Ignore because it would be an admission that he made a mistake and that's very unlikely to happen. Bigots never make mistakes you see. It's the foundation of their logic.

Thank you, Ionus. Your explanation makes sense. Forces outside this universe!!!
But, surely, the next question must be--from whence came the forces outside this Universe? Why? What was the process?

They will never know. By definition it is impossible to know. They can only use philosphy and that in this instance would be a guess. Science will never know the cause of the big bang that created our universe.

History has shown how wrong these kind of assertions are..

What can possibly motivate you to utter such unsubstantiated discourses is beyond me..

Spendius-- Are you familiar with a book entitled "The Darwin Myth" by Benjamin Wiker? In that book Wiker alludes to the inability of man, even brilliant scientists( I am sure that the great Physicists of the past assumed that Newton would never be upstaged) to fully comprehend the Universe and its laws. Wiker says:"...nature, is much more magnificent and mysterious than our human attempts to grasp it. It may be that evolution must be something far grander than Darwin made it out to be, something so marvelous that, if we fully understood it, would appear miraculous."

Mgnificent and mysterious----Darwin certainly did not know about singularities or string theory or black holes. Einstein radically changed our concepts about time and space. There is no "grand theory"

We really don't know what our Universe is like, do we, Spendius?

What is "dark matter" Spendius? What relationship does it have to the Universe, our Solar System, our Earth?

Can "string theory be fully conflated with Einstein's theories?

How much do we really know about the Universe and its workings, Spendius?

When I read commentaries from people like the great guru Setanta, I get the impression that mankind already knows everything it needs to know. All is settled. That's not really true, is it, Spendius?

Well, tell us why Ionus's statement is not true, Francis. You surely must have some evidence to prove that he is in error! or can you define the fact finding and/or expirimentation which will completely explain the phenomena?

Should I remind you simple things of life, like "the burden of proof lies with the claimant"?

Just a reminder for all the gobshites in this thread--evolution is not concerned with cosmic origins. Evolution doesn't "care" what caused the big bang, or even if such an event took place.

You don't think that will stop them from arguing as though it really does, do you?

Setanta is correct. All evolution cares about is dredging up justifications for wanking, birth control, divorce, homosexuality, abortion, bank robbery, aggression, chaos, anarchy and getting back to the good old days of the Venus of Willendorf.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Venus%20of%20Willendorf.%20%20&num=20

Written like a true fundamentalist, with no regard to facts.

No, of course not EB. I just wanted to throw that out there for anyone reading along who may not be aware of the fact.

Throwing mud is the only real recourse they have left, excluding censorship and outlawing science.

I'm afraid I'm not Massa. But I think that man is incapable of "fully" comprehending anything.



Is that so? I can't say I've noticed myself.



I don't. I wonder about it sometimes though. I was wondering the other night strolling home from the pub whether our galaxy could possibly act like that money eating machine in Geneva (CERN) and concentrate a radiation pulse from an explosion from further out into a narrow laser beam into the path of which the earth might come for a brief period and which would do something to microbes which gave them the capacity to evolve into higher forms such as ourselves. If gravity bends radiation one might easily imagine that the orientation of the galaxy, the gravitational force of which can be roughly estimated from seeing what it takes to get a rocket into orbit and multiplying up, could coincidentally be such that the pulse from further out could be narrowly foccused and sweep the space like a cop's torch in a dark alley does in some well known movies. Whether a designer could time the explosion and the alignment for a specific purpose I haven't thought through yet.



I tend to think of "dark matter" as a metaphor for the feminine unconscious.



About this much (places thumb and forefinger as close together as possible without them touching and screwing up one eye).



I think Setanta self evidently knows all he needs to know. But mankind's quest will go on and on until it marches triumphantly up its own fundament.

But Setanta and myself, or yourself Massa, are really very similar organisms. He just has one or two little yellow balls attatched to his DNA spiral where I have black ones. (see biology class visual aid material.) A silicon atom to my potassium, a boron to my titanium and a bromine to my rhodium. Say.

If we, as mere humans, begin to decipher the means and methods that powers a "miraculous evolution" , does that not remove much of the miracle? In my mind it does.
Dr Wiker is well known as a Discovery Institute "Pitch man" which leaves his thesis a bit in doubt for the essntial ingredient of objective dispassion. Ive not read any of his other books, but I did this one. I found it woefully agenda laden and fairly fact-free. Its an argument without major substance since he uses and dresses up many of the old tired arguments of classical Creationists while apparently embracing an Intelligent Designers acceptance of Evolution as being a worktool of a Cosmic Intelligence who, to this well degreed theology professor, remains nameless.

Agenda driven? looking for a Constitutional Loophole?, Suspect science? NAAAH

In all the history of man no-one has had to prove anything outside this universe. That is a matter of faith. Perhaps you can tell me how the physics of this universe can be used before its existence ?

You mean you will be proving that we will know the cause of the big bang ? I thought it was fairly well established in physics that we will never know.

Ionus, just be honest and fair for a second..

How can you assert that "Science will never know...."?

Because the instruments for looking are made from the same stuff as what they are looking at. The observer alters the nature of the observed by the act of observing and can only see within the limits of his perceptions and by applying his own definitions.