A classic example of the "loony left"

no, hillary clinton as secretary of state was punishment for kosovo

A Classic Example of the "Loony Right"

I don't think that's accurate.

How is it inaccrate ?

I suppose it all depends on what your definition of "definition" is.

The philosophy of the Founding Generation, as applied by the Founding Generation, included a number of crass propositions. Under the laws they enacted, slave-ownership was awkward but permissible, only propertied people could vote, women became their husbands' chattel upon marrying, and gay sex was a capital crime. Only John Adams's conduct was a shining exception from this practice.

Oh wait, maybe those on the right do have the same philosophy as the Founding Generation!

You are a very bad man, Thomas . . .















. . . and somewhat amusing, too . . .

Thanks! I take that as a compliment.

I'll take any crazy left-wing Hollywood liberal over a religious nutjob like Robertson. The right likes to say that Hollywood is out of touch with "real America" yet social liberals often advocate for the government to stop outlawing things like gay marriage. To me, that sounds like a true small government stance. Get the government out of the ... Mostra tuttobedrooms. Republican Ron Paul said he doesn't think the government should endorse gay marriages because he doesn't think they gov't should endorse straight marriages either. It's not a gov't issue. It's a contract between 2 consenting parties, nothing more. Leave the "marriage definition" part to the churches, if you care.

Those on the right do not have the same philosophy as the Founding Fathers with the possible exception being that the right found it difficult to surrender the slaves and grant Blacks full equality. Read Douglas Blackmon's Slavery by Another Name.

Some of the ideas of the Founding Fathers were on the left and others were on the right.

The idea that liberalism and conservatism are static . . . which you implied . . . is wrong.

If you never heard that Robertson targeted gay sex as the cause for 9/11, you must not listen to any news or talk to anyone.

Stop embarrassing yourself and go to the library . . .or is it too socialist for you . . . and check out the Federalist Papers and the AntiFederalists to learn what the Founding Fathers thought.

Wait, gay sex was a capital crime?

Yep. To be fair, Thomas Jefferson was soft enough on gay sex to draft a bill for the Virginia legislature about it. The bill required that sodomy be punished by castration. At the time he introduced it, Virginia law punished sodomy by death. The Virginia legislature rejected Jefferson's proposed liberalization. Notice: This is Jefferson. In your spectrum of liberal v. conservative founding fathers, he would have been a raving civil libertarian. "A classic example of the loony left" to some of his contemporaries, even.

Wikipedia has an overview, along with links to the appropriate sources. Unfortunately it skips over the 19th century. Let me try to find a history link that includes it.

As it turns out, the first Google hit that doesn't omit the 19th centuries is the Amazon page of a book by William N. Eskridge: Dishonorable Passions: Sodomy Laws in America, 1863-2003. Viking Adult (2008). Judging by what I can see in the preview, it's a well-researched academic work. You can "Look Inside" the book and turn to page 16 fore a section about "American anti-sodomy laws, 1533-1861". The section gives a pretty good flavor of the legal landscape around the founding era. I think I'm going to order that book.

That's interesting. Hadn't given sodomy much thought.

For what it's worth, Penn does have a history of violence both domestic and against the press, with most of his violence acts occurring during his marriage to Madonna. Frankly, at the time, I supposed they were one of those couples who brought out the worst in each other.

The other thing one might consider is Penn does not seem to be well educated. That is not to say that educated people are less violent, only to observe that sometimes less educated people have fewer alternatives. The statement means nothing beyond what is written here.

Penn is fugg ugly.

Many of the Founders were Theists.