Mr. Hinteler, I want to quote one of the sources that you provided links to:"Von Braun was smuggled into Canada by the OSS first and then came to U.S. through Operation OVERCAST."(
http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/reports/von_braun_fbi_file48.htm ). I did not discuss details of Mr. von Braun's ways of immigration, but it happens that the U.S. Government wanted him in the USA. In another words, he immigrated to the USA by invitation of the U.S. government.
One more quotation from the Columbia Encyclopedia:" Von Braun was an ardent advocate of rocket development and space flight, acting as America's best-known spokesman for space exploration. He became a U.S. citizen in 1955."(
Columbia Article On Von Braun
It's okay, steissd. This isn't the subject of this thread.
I fully believe that the events of the world would have happened even without Hitler - they would have happened in a different sequence. I think the horror he unfolded was what could have been prevented had he never been borned!
Hitler is not the worst person ever. There is no comparison to the great Khan. But, we're not trying to find comparisons.
Walter
I don't know if you are getting ****ed off with this H***** bloke, but I certainly am.
I wonder if they'll ask the same questions about todays leaders in the future. And which ones?
Two months ago, while visiting Nurenburg, our guide showed us Hitler's "Colliseum" and parade grounds and described his thousand years plan. She concluded her story by saying the only thing he left as a legacy was a few good parking spaces.
So to sum up, he banned fox hunting (good), and improved the parking situation in Nurenburg (good). On the other hand...
the humo(u)r is rather dry out today, innit?
If people HAD to die, then the world is no doubt better off with a few hundred million less people that would otherwise be alive today if Hitler had not existed. Also, there are certain historic trends that are undesirable to various degrees; some very, very much so, like ethnic murder, slavery, etc. The German experience in the second world war knocked out of the global consiousness the idea of anti-semitism which is greatly to the benefit of mankind as a whole, not to mention the Jews. A similar thing happened in the early 60's in the USA. Racism was effectively killed as a cultural force. It effectively killed it's future, as communism has been, in effect, killed as an historic force.
dov, It's not that simple. There exist today many white-suprematists who believe as Hitler did in the early twentieth century. Communism is not dead as an idea in many people's minds. It's impossible to foresee the future of mankind, even though most of the people that believe in democracy today may not survive tomorrow. When wealth is held by only a few, the majority of people will find ways to change that. The big question becomes "when?" c.i.
Dov--
You must be awfully naive to think that either anti-Semitism or racism have disappeared from the world because of past events. They have NOT. People are still filled with hatred of the Jews and of blacks. They may express their hatred more hypocritically, but that is ALL that has changed since 1945.
Dov--
You must be awfully naive to think that either anti-Semitism or racism have disappeared from the world because of past events. They have NOT. People are still filled with hatred of the Jews and of blacks. They may express their hatred more hypocritically, but that is ALL that has changed since 1945.
Dov--
You must be awfully naive to think that either anti-Semitism or racism have disappeared from the world because of past events. They have NOT. People are still filled with hatred of the Jews and of blacks. They may express their hatred more hypocritically, but that is ALL that has changed since 1945.
Don't let them get you down Dov, those rose -colored glasses, become you.
One way Hitler was good for the world was to end forever Germany's dreams of territorial and colonial expansion. From Frederick the Great through Bismarck and Kaiser Wilhelm II, Germany had been an aggressive, expanding power. Hitler's hubris shattered this vision of Germany forever. Ever since 1945, Germany has renounced an aggressive foreign policy. The only exception was the unification of the two Germanies, and even this can be defended as a throwback to the pre-1945 territorial settlement.
Many problems were created when the walls came down, and I'm not sure all of them have been resolved even to this day. I'm sure Walter Hinteler can help us with this information, not only because he's a student of history, but as a citizen of Germany. c.i.
Came in late on this one, haven't perused all the posts to date.
Tell you the best damn thing the Nazis did. Drive out so many talented people from Germany and Europe (scientists, mathematicians, engineers, etc) that when the crunch came, Nazi Germany had effectively given the means to defeat them to their enemies.
The Soviets had no such compulsion to do so and kept their talent close at hand (or purged them). Gives me the shudders to think what kind of a world it would be if the Nazis had co-opted Einstein and others.
Frederick the Great was a Prussian king.
And actually, there was just little left, when William I and II started to get colonies.
That wasn't ended by Hitler all, but by the Weimar constitution.
The wall didn't change a lot "Hitler-related" here, c.i. .
Those problems, which arose and/or came to daylight, would happen elsewhere, too, after such a unification.
But since this the first in history of such kind .... well, it's not THAT easy, even nowadays!
Walter, are you saying that Germany was NOT an aggressive, aggrandizing power under the Hohenzollerns? That it wasn't until the defeat of Hitler that Germany renounced an aggresive foreign policy?
