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How did the World Trade Center collapse?

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Sun 28 Nov, 2010 07:11 pm
@JTT,
I wonder if anyone can land an airliner on the Hudson in a sim.

I bet not, but we know that happened.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Nov, 2010 08:41 pm
@parados,
Quote:
I wonder if anyone can land an airliner on the Hudson in a sim.

I bet not, but we know that happened.


If I'm not mistaken, Sully, was that his name, was a long time pilot.

But nice trick, Parados. Next you'll be bringing in the cow barn discussion.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Nov, 2010 09:19 pm
@parados,
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Were you aware it was moved to a site and examined? Or did you buy into the claim that it went to a land fill and wasn't examined?


Does FEMA/NIST tell you how much of the debris was examined, Parados?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 28 Nov, 2010 09:50 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

I wonder if anyone can land an airliner on the Hudson in a sim.

I bet not, but we know that happened.


You are comparing a well experienced senior airline pilot with rank amateurs?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 07:52 am
@JTT,
Quote:

Does FEMA/NIST tell you how much of the debris was examined, Parados?

You didn't read the reports, did you JTT?

The peanut gallery is where you will always be.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 07:55 am
@Intrepid,
And the claim that it can't be done is ridiculous since we saw it happen and know it happened. I won't argue that there wasn't a lot of luck involved. For that matter maybe the hand of god helped them out but it did happen. Arguing that it is impossible or unlikely after the fact doesn't change the facts of what did happen.

It only throws mud in the air hoping people are blinded by the dust.
JTT
 
  0  
Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 01:47 pm
@parados,
Does FEMA/NIST tell you how much of the debris was examined, Parados?
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JTT
 
  0  
Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 02:03 pm
@parados,
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It only throws mud in the air hoping people are blinded by the dust.


That's precisely what you and people like you are trying to do. There are many many many really crazy anomalies that need to be examined and explained. The 9-11 Commission was a farce, a completely Bush gov orchestrated farce.

It is a travesty that the very country that purports to be the world leader in scientific fields shies away from these topics like children.

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NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"
06/22/2010 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) Recently Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the speeds reported for the aircraft utilized on 9/11. Numerous aviation experts have voiced their concerns regarding the extremely excessive speeds reported above Maximum Operating for the 757 and 767, particularly, United and American Airlines 757/767 Captains who have actual flight time in all 4 aircraft reportedly used on 9/11. These experts state the speeds are impossible to achieve near sea level in thick air if the aircraft were a standard 757/767 as reported. Combined with the fact the airplane which was reported to strike the south tower of the World Trade Center was also producing high G Loading while turning and pulling out from a dive, the whole issue becomes incomprehensible to fathom a standard 767 can perform such maneuvers at such intense speeds exceeding Maximum Operating limits of the aircraft. Especially for those who research the topic thoroughly and have expertise in aviation.

Co-Founder of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Rob Balsamo recently interviewed a former NASA Flight Director in charge of flight control systems at the NASA Dryden Flight Research facility who is also speaking out after viewing the latest presentation by Pilots For 9/11 Truth - "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Retired NASA Senior Executive Dwain Deets published his concerns on the matter at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) as follows:


A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow

The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?

The above entry remained at the moderated AIAA Aerospace America Forum for approximately two weeks before being removed without explanation. Click "Who is Ethically Responsible" submitted by Dwain Deets at the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum for discussion on this entry at AIAA.

Dwain Deets credentials and experience are as follows:

Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
- Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career

It is established based on corroborated expert statements, raw data, and precedent, that the extremely excessive speed reported for the 9/11 aircraft is truly the "Elephant In The Room" and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

For summary of speed analysis, please see article 9/11: Speeds Reported For World Trade Center Attack Aircraft Analyzed.

To view the scene from "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" analyzing the reported speeds in more detail, please click here.

For full detailed analysis covering the events which took place in New York City on September 11, 2001, interviews with experts, including analysis of "Hijacker" pilot skill, Black Box recovery and more... please view the latest presentation from Pilots For 9/11 Truth, "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has also analyzed Flight Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack and the events in Shanksville, PA. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/911_Aircraft_Speed_Deets.html



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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 02:18 pm
@parados,
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And the claim that it can't be done is ridiculous since we saw it happen and know it happened. I won't argue that there wasn't a lot of luck involved. For that matter maybe the hand of god helped them out but it did happen. Arguing that it is impossible or unlikely after the fact doesn't change the facts of what did happen.


Another fine example of why no one should trust you at all. The test isn't that it didn't happen, but you already know that. You're just trying to squelch all discussion, for what possible reasons I can't even begin to imagine.

The test is that highly skilled pilots, US citizens all,[ one might even be so bold as to label them patriots, what would be your take on their actions, Parados?] say that these maneuvers are beyond the capabilities of both the equipment and the people who purportedly flew them.

Doesn't anyone consider it odd that on this one day, Setember 11, 2001, all these truly extraordinary events were orchestrated and pulled off by "Al Qaeda", and yet since then, all further "Al Qaeda" terrorist attempts have been keystone cops laughable, when they were much much much simpler events to pull off?


JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 02:24 pm
@JTT,
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Pilots for 9/11 Truth obtained black box data from the government under the Freedom of Information Act for AA Flight 77, which The 9/11 Report claims hit the Pentagon.

Analysis of the data contradicts the official account in direction, approach, and altitude. The plane was too high to hit lamp posts and would have flown over the Pentagon, not impacted with its ground floor. This result confirms and strengthens the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the buillding.

Note from Pilots for 911 Truth


Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are commited to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers. We stand with the Scholars, Veterans and Architects & Engineers for Truth along side family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have given the ultimate sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a new independent investigation into the events of 9/11.

We do not accept the 9/11 Commission report as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others. - pilotsfor911truth.org l

Click here for more

06/23/07

Please be advised when reviewing the article entitled "New Study From Pilots For 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 Hit The Pentagon" the following.

These (relatively minor) points are made in the interest of historical accuracy. Pilots for 9/11 Truth did not write it and some corrections need to
be stated.

Click here for more information.

Madison, WI (PRWEB) June 21, 2007 - A study of the black box data provided by the government to Pilots for 9/11 Truth has confirmed the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11. "We have had four lines of proof that no Boeing 757 hit the building," said James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. "This new study by Pilots drives another nail into a coffin of lies told the American people by The 9/11 Commission":

The new society, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) under the Freedom of Information Act and obtained its 2002 report on American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757 that, according to the official account, hit the ground floor of the Pentagon after it skimmed over the lawn at 500 mph plus, taking out a series of lamp posts in the process. The pilots not only obtained the flight data but created a computer animation to demonstrate what it told them.

According to the report issued by Pilots for 9/11 Truth (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/), there are major differences between the official account and the flight data:

a. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support official events.

b. All Altitude data shows the aircraft at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles.

c. The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense "5 Frames" video of an object traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.

d. The record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time.

e. If data trends are continued, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon.

As Robert Balsamo, co-founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, observes, "The information in the NSTB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001." The study was signed by fifteen professional pilots with extensive military and commercial carrier experience. They have made their animation, "Pandora's Box: Chapter 2," available to the public at http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Pandora's+Black+Box%3A+Chapter+2 .

According to James H. Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth (http://911scholars.org), this result fits into the broader picture of what happened at the Pentagon that day. "We have developed four lines of argument that prove--conclusively, in my judgment--that no Boeing 757 hit the building. The most important evidence to the contrary has been the numerous eyewitness reports of a large commercial carrier coming toward the building. If the NTSB data is correct, then the Pilot's study shows that a large aircraft headed toward the building but did not impact with it. It swerved off and flew above the Pentagon."

Fetzer, who retired last June after 35 years of teaching courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning, expressed pleasure over the Pilot's results, which, he said, has neatly resolved the most pressing issue that remained about the Pentagon. He added, "We have previously developed several lines of argument, each of which proves that no Boeing 757 hit the building," including these four:

(1) The hit point at the Pentagon was too small to accommodate a 100-ton airliner with a 125-foot wingspan and a tail that stands 44 feet above the ground; the kind and quantity of debris was wrong for a Boeing 757: there were no wings, no fuselage, no seats, no bodies, no luggage, no tail! Not even the engines were recovered, and they are practically indestructible.

(2) Of an estimate 84 videotapes of the crash, the three that have been released by the Pentagon do not show a Boeing 757 hitting the building, as even Bill O'Reilly admitted when one was shown on "The Factor". At 155 feet, the plane was more than twice as long as the 77-foot Pentagon is high and should have been visible. There are indications of a much smaller plane, but not a Boeing 757.

(3) Indeed, the aerodynamics of flight would have made the official trajectory--flying more than 500 mph barely above ground level--physically impossible, because of the accumulation of a massive pocket of compressed gas (air) beneath the fuselage; and if it had come it at an angle instead, it would have created a massive crater; but there is no crater and the official trajectory is impossible.

(4) Flying low enough to impact with the ground floor would have meant that the enormous engines were plowing the ground and creating massive furrows; but there are no massive furrows. The smooth, unblemished surface of the Pentagon lawn thus stands as a "smoking gun" proving the official trajectory cannot be sustained.

Members of Scholars have contributed to a new book that analyses the government's official account, according to which 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four commercial airliners, outfoxed the most sophisticated air-defense system in the world, and committed these atrocities under the control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan. Entitled, THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007), it includes photographs of the hit point before and after the upper floors collapsed, the crucial frame from the released videos, and views of the clear, smooth, and unblemished lawn.

"Don't be taken in by photos showing damage to the second floor or those taken after the upper floors collapsed, which happened 20-30 minutes later," Fetzer said. "In fact, debris begins to show up on the completely clean lawn in short order, which might have been dropped from a C-130 that was circling above the Pentagon or placed there by men in suits who were photographed carrying debris with them." The most striking is a piece from the fuselage of a commercial airliner, which is frequently adduced as evidence.

James Hanson, a newspaper reporter who earned his law degree from the University of Michigan College of Law, has traced that debris to an American Airlines 757 that crashed in a rain forest above Cali, Columbia in 1995. "It was the kind of slow-speed crash that would have torn off paneling in this fashion, with no fires, leaving them largely intact." Fetzer has been so impressed with his research he has invited Hanson to submit his study to Scholars for consideration for publication on its web site, 911scholars.org.

"The Pentagon has become a kind of litmus test for rationality in the study of 9/11," Fetzer said. "Those who persist in maintaining that a Boeing 757 hit the building are either unfamiliar with the evidence or cognitively impaired. Unless," he added, "they want to mislead the American people. The evidence is beyond clear and compelling. It places this issue 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon."


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6133


JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 02:27 pm
Those black boxes are on airplanes for a reason.

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9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT

(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77 was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR", cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11 Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77 departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly crashed the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45.

Reported by CNN, according to Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the reported flight stating, "...all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers..."[2]. However, according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if the Flight Deck Door remained closed?[3]

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center attack. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials along with Mainstream Media refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.
talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 02:48 pm
@JTT,
Parados was also defending Wall Street on my thread about bankers.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 02:56 pm
@talk72000,
Using his famous "cow barn" analogy no doubt.
talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 02:58 pm
@JTT,
I am not sure about him. He seems to be a Democrat and a Zionist maybe? You know Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle and Douglas Feith were in charge of the Defense Department under GWB. Why argue for GWB Defense Department while seemingly a Democrat?
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 03:20 pm
@JTT,
RE: the following which was found in this post to which I'm now replying,

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Please be advised when reviewing the article entitled "New Study From Pilots For 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 Hit The Pentagon" the following.

These (relatively minor) points are made in the interest of historical accuracy. Pilots for 9/11 Truth did not write it and some corrections need to
be stated.

Click here for more information.


the following is the "more information " underlined above.


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Please be advised when reviewing the article entitled "New Study From
Pilots For 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 Hit The Pentagon" the following.
These (relatively minor) points are made in the interest of historical
accuracy.




Pilots for 9/11 Truth did not write it and some corrections need to
be stated.

Athough Pilots for 9/11 Truth did not initiate this press release, which was
sent out by Scholars for 9/11 Truth, our society is grateful to Scholars for
emphasizing its importance in understanding events at the Pentagon on 9/11.




Pilotsfor911truth.org does not make the claim that "No Boeing 757 hit the
Pentagon". We have analyzed the Flight Data Recorder data provided by the
NTSB and have shown factual analysis of that data. We do not offer theory.

While we do not make this claim in these words, the analysis we present on
the basis of the NTSB's own data factually contradicts the official account
that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon--if trends are continued beyond end of data
records--and therefore supports the inference that American Airlines Flight
77 did not hit the building based upon that data.




Pilotsfor911truth.org did not create the animation, which we included in
"Pandora's Back Box". The NTSB provided the animation based upon its own
data and spread spread sheets which can be found at our site/forums.

Since the NTSB is a government agency and, indeed, is the agency designated
by the government to conduct this investigation--the FBI has
jurisdiction to conduct the investigation when the incident is
determined to be of a criminal nature, see http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=2...123X00105&key=1]--we find it hard to believe that someone within one of these agencies did not know immediately that its findings contradict the official account.

The NTSB and FBI are now well aware of these contradictions due to the
work of pilotsfor911truth.org and have refused to comment. THE 9/11
COMMISSION REPORT also contradicts the NTSB Flight Path Study in terms
of impact time, speeds, and distance from Pentagon in initiating the 330 degree manuever, even though THE REPORT itself footnotes the NTSB Flight Path Study for this information.
[See http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html (bottom of the page)]




Pilotsfor911truth.org created a documentary based on the NTSB data
using its animation. The title is "Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two:
Flight Of American 77" and can be found through google or on our site.

Links to our documentary are included in most of the published
versions of the press releases from Scholars and can be found on
pilotsfor911truth.org.




Our official press release is signed by all our members. In the interest of
saving space, we included only a handful of members on the actual release with
a URL to the full core member list. The original pilotsfor911truth.org press
release is available at http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pressrelease.html

Not only the fifteen persons named from Pilots support our study but all of
our members endorse it. We stand behind our research and are grateful
that more of the public will know about it, thanks to Scholars.

Thank you.

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilotsfor911truth.org

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?s=43fc9107d2b5e6000f198fad8981b335&showtopic=7372&st=15&#entry9361808
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 03:59 pm
@JTT,
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Pilots for 9/11 Truth obtained black box data from the government under the Freedom of Information Act for AA Flight 77, which The 9/11 Report claims hit the Pentagon.

The non existent plane had a black box? Wow.... was it invisible?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 04:08 pm
@parados,
Another nervous laugh from Parados.

Can you say misdirection?
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talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 04:14 pm
Here are the list of Jews in the Defense Department under GWB.

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Richard Perle
One of Bush's foreign policy advisors, he is the chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. A very likely Israeli government agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam. Perle came from one the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktanks, the AEI. Perle is one of the leading pro-Israeli fanatics leading this Iraq war mongering within the administration and now in the media.


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Paul Wolfowitz
Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle's Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz came from the above mentioned Jewish thinktank, JINSA. Wolfowitz is the number two leader within the administration behind this Iraq war mongering.


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Douglas Feith
Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine. Feith also came from the Jewish thinktank JINSA. Feith, like Perle and Wolfowitz, are campaigning hard for this Israeli proxy war against Iraq.


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Edward Luttwak
Member of the National Security Study Group of the Department of Defence at the Pentagon. Luttwak is reportedly an Israeli citizen and has taught in Israel. He frequently writes for Israeli and pro-Israeli newspapers and journals. Luttwak is an Israeli extremist whose main theme in many of his articles is the necessity of the U.S. waging war against Iraq.


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Henry Kissinger
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book (Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House). Kissinger likely had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos), Installing Chilean mass murdering dictator Pinochet, Operation Condor's mass killings in South America, and more recently served as Serbia's Ex-Dictator Slobodan Milosevic's Advisor. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S. Unfortunately, President Bush nominated Kissinger as chairman of the September 11 investigating commission. It's like picking a bank robber to investigate a fraud scandal.


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Dov Zakheim
Under Secretary of Defense, Comptroller, and Chief Financial Officer (CFO) for the Department of Defense. He is an ordained rabbi and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship. Zakheim attended attended Jew’s College in London and became an ordained Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in 1973. He was adjunct professor at New York's Jewish Yeshiva University. Zakheim is close to the Israeli lobby.


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Kenneth Adelman
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his hatred or stupidity, he actually called Arabs "anti-Semitic" on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by definition are Semites.


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I. Lewis Libby
Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff. The chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iraq. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Marc Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president.


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Robert Satloff
U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.


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Elliott Abrams
National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.


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Marc Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.


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Richard Haass
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocates going to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.


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Robert Zoellick
U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position. He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up setting up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq.


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Ari Fleischer
Official White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad's Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.


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James Schlesinger
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.


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David Frum
White House speechwriter behind the "Axis of Evil" label. He lumps together all the lies and accusations against Iraq for Bush to justify the war.


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Joshua Bolten
White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Bolten was previously a banker, former legislative aide, and prominent in the Jewish community.


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John Bolton
Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. Bolton is also a Senior Advisor to President Bush. Prior to this position, Bolton was Senior Vice President of the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktank, AEI. He recently (October 2002) accused Syria of having a nuclear program, so that they can attack Syria after Iraq. He must have forgotten that Israel has 400 nuclear warheads, some of which are thermonuclear weapons (according to a recent U.S. Air Force report).


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David Wurmser
Special Assistant to John Bolton (above), the under-secretary for arms control and international security. Wurmser also worked at the AEI with Perle and Bolton. His wife, Meyrav Wurmser, along with Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence, co-founded the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri),a Washington-based Israeli outfit which distributes articles translated from Arabic newspapers portraying Arabs in a bad light.


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Eliot Cohen
Member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. Like Adelman, he often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. More recently, he wrote an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal openly admitting his rascist hatred of Islam claiming that Islam should be the enemy, not terrorism.


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Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.


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Michael Chertoff
Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, at the Justice Department.


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Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.


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Adam Goldman
White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.


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Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.


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Christopher Gersten
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez, and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised Jewish.


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Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs.


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Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.


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Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.


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Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).


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Daniel Kurtzer
Ambassador to Israel.

Cliff Sobel
Ambassador to the Netherlands.

Stuart Bernstein
Ambassador to Denmark.

Nancy Brinker
Ambassador to Hungary

Frank Lavin
Ambassador to Singapore.

Ron Weiser
Ambassador to Slovakia.

Mel Sembler
Ambassador to Italy.

Martin Silverstein
Ambassador to Uruguay.


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Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.


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Jay Lefkowitz
Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council.


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Ken Melman
White House Political Director.


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Brad Blakeman
White House Director of Scheduling.



The surprize is Lewis Libby, never thought he was Jewish.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bushlist.htm
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 04:47 pm
@parados,
Quote:
ROFLMAO.. None has collapsed? Perhaps you should start by researching the McCormick fire in Chicago.
http://www.wpi.edu/Pubs/ETD/Available/etd-050406-105306/unrestricted/rnacewicz.pdf
Starts on page 41 including graphs of how the steel strength was affected by the fire.


Have you finished laughing yet, Parados? You sure should have. The McCormick fire was NOT a structural steel building. It had steel trusses but that's not anywhere comparable to a structural steel building.

I have steel trusses in my barn but no one would consider it a structural steel building.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:11 pm
@JTT,
You are pretty funny JTT..

JTT wrote:


Why did WTCs 1 & 2 collapse? Present the argument of "all the engineers". "all the engineers" are pretty much in agreement; no steel structure subjected to fire had ever or has ever collapsed, save for WTCs1,2 & 7.



parados wrote:




ROFLMAO.. None has collapsed? Perhaps you should start by researching the McCormick fire in Chicago.
http://www.wpi.edu/Pubs/ETD/Available/etd-050406-105306/unrestricted/rnacewicz.pdf
Starts on page 41 including graphs of how the steel strength was affected by the fire.



JTT wrote:
The McCormick fire was NOT a structural steel building. It had steel trusses but that's not anywhere comparable to a structural steel building.


Meanwhile the study I linked to is titled THIS -
Investigation of Fire Impact on Structural Steel through Case Studies
 

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