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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 07:14 pm

1) People with degrees = educated people?
2) the mortality rate of graduates = the mortality rate of college graduates?

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MANY rightly assume that the poor are relatively unhealthy. But the same goes for almost everyone, save the richest, according to a key review of the effects of health inequalities in England. As we report on page 11, the quest for social fairness should begin with child development.

The implications are radical. Based on the knowledge that people with degrees have lower mortality rates than those without, Michael Marmot's team asked what would happen if everybody in England, aged 30 and over, had the mortality rate of graduates. The answer was there would be 202,000 fewer premature deaths each year, accounting for 40 per cent of all deaths. Levelling health disparities in rich nations will have a much bigger impact than focusing on the worst off.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 07:55 pm
@oristarA,
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1) People with degrees = educated people?


Yes. "Degrees" refers to college or university degrees. "The mortality rate of graduates" refers to the mortality rate of those who have "degrees", i.e. people with higher education.





oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 08:37 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Thank you.
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oolongteasup
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 09:25 pm
@oristarA,
given the a priori 'save the richest'

what a meaningless crockful it is to conclude that

'levelling health disparities' ( not just the poor) ie everyone except the rich

'will have a much bigger impact'
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 09:36 pm
@oristarA,
The math used in the statistics is not available to us, but I can readily see a number of pitfalls. The mortality of any cadre of the population is strongly influenced by its average or median age. What is the average of the reference population "with Degrees"? What is the average age of "everyone over 30?

Even a small difference here could grossly distort the implied mortality difference.

It sounds elementary but errors like this are VERY common in the statistical analyses that make their way into the public domain -- particularly such social analyses produced by folks with an axe to grind or publication stats to accumulate.

Some social "scientists", even with degrees, are quite stupid.

The information age has certainly multiplied the amount of accessible data out there, but the amount of meaningful information in it amounts to a rather large degrements. Worse, it can be hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 09:53 pm
The conclusion of the statistics might be a false correlation. Perhaps, many of those that get a higher education are inherently physically healthier, since if one's parents sent them to college, the parents were likely healthy enough to work at a job continuously to save and afford sending a child to college. Those healthy genes got passed on to the child that got an education.

In effect, similar to survival of the fittest, there might also be education for the fittest effecting the statistics?

Or, similar to physical exercise being a healthy pursuit, education might be exercise for the mind that also effects one health?
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oolongteasup
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:10 pm
@georgeob1,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Marmot

oh dear oh dear oh dear

no offence intended mick

that quotation from your esteemed oeuvre was in need of the full text

best regards , how's the family, get the actuary to vet the summary next time
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