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WHAT ROUGH BEAST? America sits of the edge

 
 
Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 06:51 pm
And P.S. perc,

I don't know what you're referring to about gato's statistical data. I have not been reading posts submitted by gato. Nor will I be.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 06:56 pm
Lola is predictable. Someone hits a home run over her head and she picks up her ball and bat and runs home crying.

Like many liberals, full of hot air and totally unable to respond to challenges.

My argument to her stands unrebutted.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 06:57 pm
Lola wrote:
And P.S. perc,

I don't know what you're referring to about gato's statistical data. I have not been reading posts submitted by gato. Nor will I be.

"gato's" data is thoughtfully provided without the actual statistics. Imagine that! Rolling Eyes
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 07:00 pm
Hobitbob,

I love you, but please don't taunt the uncivilized. Do it for me. Please.

<batting eyes, smiling sweetly>
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Italgato
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 07:01 pm
Dyslexia and Diowan need a lesson in debate.

You do not win a debate by waving your wrist in the air and saying- yes, I certainly disproved what he said.

The so-called "absolute refutations" do not exist unless they are invisible. Neighter Dyslexia or Diowan have rebutted my points one by one as they should and must do in order to show that I am mistaken.

Dyslexia and Diowan seem to be indulging in the old sport of spewing bovine excrement.

Get real and address my arguments one point at a time. If you don't understand my points, I will be glad to list them point by point again so as not to tax your brains too much. I will anyway and defy you to take the points one at a time.

Just waving your wrists in the air
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 08:11 pm
Italgato,

They are free to answer your points or not, as they may choose. If they don't, it doesn't necessarily mean they fail to understand. Perhaps they find your approach to all this a bit abusive and offensive. I, for one, could understand that.

You are a smart, well-informed guy. It baffles me that you so effectively manage to make what you have to say here so universally unpalatable. Why do you so consistently resist any real effort or gesture towards those with whom you interact here? (Here I don't mean the sarcastic references you so prodigiously throw out, but rather something meaningful in the terms your interlocutors themselves address.) You know, we are not merely mirrors to reflect back acknowledgement of your knowledge and understanding. The core of civility is dealing with others as significant, responsible objects of attention and consideration in their own right. You don't appear to do that at all. Instead it appears that all you seek here is self validation. Why?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 08:18 pm
Lola wrote:
george,

So glad to see you lurking. And your attempted seductions are always welcome.


Attempted seductions !! Attempted seductions !!!! You mean I'm not getting anywhere? Ball buster !
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 08:27 pm
Laughing................very funny......but one mustn't rush to bust one's balls. Resignation does not require castration.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 08:51 pm
I'm neither castrated nor resigned!
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Italgato
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 09:13 pm
Oh please George OB 1- abuseive and offensive???

Could anything be more abusive and offensive than the left's deprecations of the president of the United States.

I am sure that you do not understand where I am coming from.
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I do not post to be liked or admired.

I posted points which clearly showed that parents are correct when they view the societal trend toward the acceptance of Homosexuality as a viable life style.

Since you know that I never post anything for which I cannot bring substantial evidence to bear, you may then understand why I might have an edge for the pusillanimous answers given by people like Dyslexia and Dlowan who lie by stating:

"In the face of solid challenges and ABSOLUTE REFUTATION to every argument he has used"

That is a lie. And anyone who lies like that deserves nothing but contempt.

Now, if Dlowan can show( SPECIFICALLY, POINT BY POINT) how my arguments have been absolutely refuted, I will apologize profusely. But, anyone reading all of my posts and all of Dyslexia's posts and all of Dlowan's post will not find that they have refuted anything.

Any you expect me to be nice to such lying scum?????
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 09:19 pm
No. Sadly I expect you to continue to be the sad, needy, argumentative and thoroughly ineffective figure you have been here these last weeks.

Is there another sandbox, somewhere else you might enjoy?
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perception
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 09:27 pm
Lola
Your reply is extremely informative and even though I used the four factors which you agreed with as examples only, it is interesting to note that we found something substantive we could agree on. While you entire post is relevant, I have extracted the paragraph below as exceptionally
noteworthy and has some very key elements that could further our understanding of each other.


Lola wrote:
Of course, we all have established certain assumptions about reality that are dependent on our own unique experience. These assumptions were/are true only under certain circumstances. However since most of our assumptions were formed at a very early stage of emotional development, and we've come to depend on these assumptions as true, we take these assumptions to be true, or as fact without recognizing the subjective nature of these "facts." This is why we need logical, rational thought processes to help us recognize those assumptions which are, or were, true under certain circumstances, but are not necessarily true under others. And it is to this logical process which I appeal.

<However since most of our assumptions were formed at a very early stage of our emotional development, and we've come to depend on these assumptions as true or as fact without realizing the subjective nature of these"facts".>

Very true--- if each one of us could "shake out" those assumptions that are false we could progress much more quickly along the path of understanding. Unfortunately I don't see that happening because not one of us could even identify those false assumptions so I'm back to my earlier proposal that we try to identify those factors where agreement can be reached and try to progress from there.

My first step in that regard is to agree with you and Blatham that liberty is the most crucial factor in the pursuit of happiness including freedom of expression and lifestyle. Now would you agree with me that the ACLU makes no attempt to be fair and balanced in the type of cases they take? I seek no hidden advantage here because I believe that to be a true statement-----I merely seek your agreement.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 09:28 pm
I will give Dlowan and Dyslexia another opportunity to show their integrity and debating ability or to leave the field defeated. In case they are unable to handle complex arguments and so that they may show just how they have completely rebutted my arguments, I will list them one at a time so that their brains are not overly taxed.

First point- Most normal people wish to continue their line and wish to pass on their genes to the next generation.

Quote- Living with Our Genes by Dean Hamer and Peter Copeland

"The need for the physical union of a man and a woman is among the most deeply rooted, INNATE AND GENETICALLY PROGRAMED OF ALL HUMAN BEHAVIOR. ..The way humans pass on out genes is through sexual reproduction.

To guarantee thier survival, the genes foudn a clever trick...the genes made sex feel good, real good. The real purpose of sex as deliniated by evolution is reproduction.
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perception
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 09:45 pm
Italgato wrote:
I will give Dlowan and Dyslexia another opportunity to show their integrity and debating ability or to leave the field defeated. In case they are unable to handle complex arguments and so that they may show just how they have completely rebutted my arguments, I will list them one at a time so that their brains are not overly taxed.

First point- Most normal people wish to continue their line and wish to pass on their genes to the next generation.

Quote- Living with Our Genes by Dean Hamer and Peter Copeland

"The need for the physical union of a man and a woman is among the most deeply rooted, INNATE AND GENETICALLY PROGRAMED OF ALL HUMAN BEHAVIOR. ..The way humans pass on out genes is through sexual reproduction.

To guarantee thier survival, the genes foudn a clever trick...the genes made sex feel good, real good. The real purpose of sex as deliniated by evolution is reproduction.


Evil or Very Mad Could I respectfully suggest you start a new thread with your topic?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 09:47 pm
Martyrdom is what some people need, it is the only way in which they can become noted without any ability.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 09:56 pm
Italgato wrote:
I will give Dlowan and Dyslexia another opportunity to show their integrity and debating ability or to leave the field defeated. In case they are unable to handle complex arguments and so that they may show just how they have completely rebutted my arguments, I will list them one at a time so that their brains are not overly taxed.

Yeah, whatever.

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First point- Most normal people wish to continue their line and wish to pass on their genes to the next generation.

Normal? What is your definition of 'normal?'

Quote- Living with Our Genes by Dean Hamer and Peter Copeland

Quote:
"The need for the physical union of a man and a woman is among the most deeply rooted, INNATE AND GENETICALLY PROGRAMED OF ALL HUMAN BEHAVIOR. ..The way humans pass on out genes is through sexual reproduction.

To guarantee thier survival, the genes foudn a clever trick...the genes made sex feel good, real good. The real purpose of sex as deliniated by evolution is reproduction.

How does this quote have anything to do with the opinion you gave? We possess many genes for desirable traits as well as undersireable ones. Not all organisms in a population reproduce. Your quote above is nonsensical.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 09:56 pm
Perc,

I'm not sure what are referring to when you speak of "the type of cases they take." Can you tell me more?
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Italgato
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 09:59 pm
George OB 1- I hope you will note that I have reformed. I have seen the light. I apologize to Dyslexia and Dlowan and Lola. They are right. The absurd effort of some elements in the Senate and the House to pass the ridiculous Defense of Marriage act is based on nothing more than homophobia and pandering to the fundamentalist right.

I should have come to this conclusion before. I now know that our society is basically homophobic and racist.

Poor Michael Jackson. Look what is happening to him. A victim of homophobia and racism. All he wanted to do is to love someone.

What is wrong with our twisted society when someone cannot love someone else???

Puritanism and Religious fundamentalism which springs from hatred of our fellow man.

I have seen the light!!!!!
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 10:15 pm
Michael Jackson is a pedophile. He may also be bisexual. One is a violation of social and societal norms, and therefore a crime, the other is not.
Some very easily obtained articles from academic sources:UC Davis study

Religious Tolerance.org

Stop childmolestation.org
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The 1,038 men who molested boys reported a range of adult sexual preferences. Contrary to popular belief, only 8 percent reported that they were exclusively homosexual in their adult preferences. The majority of the men who molested boys (51 percent) described themselves as exclusively heterosexual in their adult partner preferences. An additional 19 percent reported they were predominately heterosexual, while yet another 9 percent said they were equally heterosexual and homosexual in their adult sex life. As with other characteristics, the group of 1,038 men who molest boys followed the general pattern of the U.S. male population in regard to their adult sexual preferences. As reported by Kinsey, the majority of U.S. adult males (76 percent) described themselves as exclusively heterosexual and an additional 9 percent said they were predominantly heterosexual. In terms of their homosexuality, Kinsey reports that those U.S. males who describe themselves as exclusively homosexual are 6 percent and those that report being predominantly homosexual an additional 4 percent. These findings are in direct opposition to the generally accepted opinion that the overwhelming majority of men who molest boys are homosexual. The majority of men who molest boys (70 percent) are predominantly heterosexual.


NOw, to be fair, most of the wierd fundy websites, like FRC have reports which say the opposite, and rely on out of context or poorly translated religious writings rather than science. Go figure. Rolling Eyes
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 10:52 pm
italgato

You remind me of a southern gentleman I once met who held that intimate relations with a farm animal were quite natural, so long as that critter doing the mooing wasn't itself another gentleman.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting you'd do this (the heffer humping thing), or even if you did, that you'd do it often, I'm just saying that you remind me of that fellow.

Personality-wise, he was a little on the odd side, and I think you must recognize that such a description applies to yourself as well. Each morning, he'd crawl crookedly out of bed, brush the telltale bits of supper from his beard, and put on one of his many suits tailored from 1950s DeSota upholstery. Sewn into the pants pocket of each suit was a tripleA Eveready battery attached to a small wire that he'd loop tightly around his scrotum. Every now and again, at the behest of some internal signal, he'd lick his hand sloppily and slide it into that pocket with the battery, eyes aglint.

Now, I don't know why I'm reminded of this fellow whenever you post, but I am.
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