"Why do men lie when they are caught cheating, even when you confront them with undeniable proof?"

lol thats a good one

I bet he can spell deny

whoa, let's not get crazy

sorry... I don't know what came over me

again.
Enjoy your world with **** men.

Get an education, lose the attitude and you MIGHT find a man who doesnt treat you like the **** you act like.

Good luck with that.

Touché George! Men may have the same feelings of conflict as woman often do... Lol

Thumbs up for "never getting caught".

Oh sweetie SheWolf, why lower yourself, as I do, responding to Leona? I guess we both believe she might actually LEARN something by our responses.

And to Leona, hon, you're so angry on this site. Let go of all that anger, and you might actually find a good man. No, really.

all the good men already have boyfriends

Leona wrote


Shewolf wrote

I can see why. You're intelligent, funny, accomplished,self assured and you'd probably never get in a situation where somebody fucked around on you and gave you a whuppin if you complained.

Whether Leona is real or not is immaterial. There are a lot of women and teenagers and children out there who live in fear of physical aggression. This I found out when I worked with SafeSpace. Why even the firehouses around here are havens for abused women(not men) who fear for their lives.

The saddest part of it is that many of them feel they somehow deserve it. Leona has a lot of anger as was pointed out. And she sure lacks the self confidence many of us take for granted. I feel for all the Leonas struggling to find their strength. I really do.

How many guys plan their route to their car when the mall closes? Parking under a light. Asking the security guy to walk you out. Installing a special security device to warn you that someone is in the back seat waiting to try and rape you? Not me.

How many women?

Quite the contrary.
I have been horribly abused by men.
I used to be with an abuser who fired off guns at me ( loaded)
I was shot in the knee by one man.

Been there . Done that.
The difference is , now I am not that kind of person who attracts and accepts that kind of behavior.
It really DOES start with WHO you are and how you treat yourself and others . Like really does attract like.

Only women who feel that low of themselves attract abusers like that. An abusive man now, would not give me the time of day. Im not his type.
Does that make sense?

Then it is interesting, if not ironic, that you have such contempt for Leona.

Not quite sure you've overcome your self-esteem issues.

Yes
What doesn't make sense is why you show so little empathy to women like Leona.

Interesting lack of comprehension from both Finn and Panz, from different viewpoints.

as i see it, leona doesn't just not get, it she appears to not want to get it, as she asks the same basic questions over and over again

It appears that way, but appearances can be deceiving.
In my mind she's getting it but having trouble applying it.

Why is that so interesting to you? Can you not get that Shewolf is talking to her old self - or someone she recognizes - sternly in a kind of despair at seeing this all go on and on? Over it with excuses..

Have any of us covered our self esteem issues? If anyone has, shewolf has covered a lot of ground on it.

true

I think I knew of shewolf's struggles and I think I complemented her on her success in overcoming the same.
Osso, I also I think I showed my respect...all I'm saying is: Leona seems to be just starting to get it...I've got my fingers crossed.

I'll agree with that if it is going on. I may have been abrupt when I railed some posts ago. Not sure I was, it feels like an internet ride. But given she's sincere, I wish her well.