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Now that we all know this was indeed a hoax

 
 
BillRM
 
Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:23 am
Now that we all know that the runaway balloon carrying a child was a hoax what kind and level of punishment of the parents would seem fair to you?

To me at least a little jail time for the father<a few months> and paying back every cents this hoax ended up costing the taxpayers.

One hell of a fine on top of that also would seem fair to me.

Ok if you had the power in your hands to punish these fools what would you hit them with?
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:29 am
@BillRM,
I'd cure them of their overwhelming need for attention.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:32 am
@BillRM,
I'd want to see them charged with a crime and found guilty before punishment was enacted, silly me.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:35 am
@BillRM,
I don't think you could possibly quantify the cost of shutting down the Denver airport for a couple of hours. That alone would completely bankrupt them. Every delayed passenger should sue for damages.
Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:41 am
@engineer,
I also wonder if anyone else was harmed as a result. Since most of the police force and who knows what other emergency responders were sent looking and tracking the balloon - could some one have died or harmed as a result of not getting quick medical care or other necessary emergency help.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:45 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
I don't think you could possibly quantify the cost of shutting down the Denver airport for a couple of hours. That alone would completely bankrupt them. Every delayed passenger should sue for damages.

Last info I have is that the airport stayed open, but flights were moved to a different runway.

Edit: Lawyer for balloon boy's parents expects charges

Quote:
Some flights at Denver International Airport had to be changed to a different runway, but the airport remained open during the balloon's flight, airport spokesman Chuck Cannon said Monday. Previous reports said the airport was temporarily shut down.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:51 am
@dyslexia,
I'd want to see them charged with a crime and found guilty before punishment was enacted, silly me.
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You are being silly as this is not a court of law and as just members of the public we are under no obligation to shut our eyes to the facts until some court get done with the matter in the next year or two.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:52 am
Get a rope.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:53 am
@engineer,
don't think you could possibly quantify the cost of shutting down the Denver airport for a couple of hours. That alone would completely bankrupt them. Every delayed passenger should sue for damages.
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Maybe I am wrong but I do not think that the whole airport was shut down just a runway and the some planes was re-routed causing delays.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:55 am
@edgarblythe,
Get a rope.
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Why to tie down the balloon<grin>?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 10:03 am
To hold up his pants.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 11:48 am
@DrewDad,
Glad to see that previous reports said the airport was shut down. I thought I was losing it there.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 11:54 am
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

I'd want to see them charged with a crime and found guilty before punishment was enacted, silly me.


Funny how you and I seem to think alike at times, dys.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 12:31 pm
@Merry Andrew,
And once more I see little to gain by pretending this did not happen until a court and a judge rule on it.

When I was a small boy watching TV, I saw along with millions of others, in real time, Jack Ruby kill Odwalla and are you stating that we have some moral obligation not to take note of that fact until after the court rule? How silly are you people!

In any case I do not live in an area where I would be pick as a jury member in this case and even if I was could set aside my opinion and only rule on the evidence shown in court if need be.

All that is beside the point the man and his wife created a hoax and we are all aware of this fact just like was aware of the killing of Odwalla.

Not that this is likely be in front of a jury as it will be a plea deal.

Silly poeple we are not judges and we are not jury members and therefore are free before a court rule to talk about what the punishment should be.
soozoo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 01:02 pm
@BillRM,
No one is pretending this did not happen. All the facts are not in yet, so how can we decide what the punishment should be? I really doubt that you could set aside your opinion and rule on evidence, as your postings show that you think you are always right and nothing could persuade you to change your mind.

As for "Odwalla" ..... well dang, Jack Ruby killed the wrong dude! Maybe the real perpetrator is floating around in a balloon somewhere.

jespah
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 01:03 pm
@BillRM,
Odwalla?

Okay, seriously, yes, I know what you mean re thinking up a punishment although of course the ole try 'em and convict 'em would be a good idea first. You know, cart/horse and all that.

Usually in rescue situations if it appears that the rescue is the fault of the one being rescued (as opposed to a sudden squall), the rescued one pays for the rescue -- at least that's my understanding of how it works in the mountains. The idea that persons could have been denied timely medical care or police assistance is plausible but causality might be difficult to prove (although someone may very well try).

The real questions is whether parental rights are in any peril.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 01:07 pm
@soozoo,
Sorry as Farmerman had found out I am normally am right, however it is the job of his and her lawyer to challenge anyone they think might be unfair to them and once more I do not live in that area in any case.
soozoo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 01:09 pm
@BillRM,
You lost me on the "I am normally am right" part.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 01:12 pm
@jespah,
You know, cart/horse and all that.
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This is very likely to be settle by a plea deal so by the time we have a court ruling the matter will be settle.

Second none of us have the power to give either one of those idiots any punishment so I do not see why we are not free to discuss what the punishment should be.

Frankly but for the kids I would like to see a fine that would wipe them out completely but that would too greatly harm the children, in my opinion.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 01:40 pm
@BillRM,
Its "Im is normally right", oh sayer of soothe.

Since you seem not to be of US birth, we have a "Presumption of innocense" that is inconveniently shot through this whole issue. The sheriff himself is already gonna give the defense a righteous case when they question him as to "when were you lying?, when you said they had nothing to do with it, or now?" The sheriff will hang himself and the case will float away or will result in a much reduced sentence. Remember that the CHARGES need to be proven to what level?

The entire issue of whether the balloon couldnt lift the kid is entirely not out . The balloons volume was correctly estimated at 2300 cu ft (not 1200 as you "calculated".The guy I listened to from WHL stated 2400 but several balloon expwerts knocked that back ) Please dont wear any holes in your back from doing any more selfcongratulations.

If the father pleads and goes for something like "treatment" and his kids and wife are evaluated for their own complicity, they could still get a great book deal.



The kid is what blew the whole thing. If the father is the instagator , and "sentencing before judgement" requires that both sides agree, then itll be a different story.

I think youve got a lot to learn about US system of justice. Remember OJ got off too and it was only by someones slip and some dumb forensics. I see no compelling smoking gun here.
 

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