0
   

pronouns description

 
 
Reply Sat 3 Oct, 2009 02:35 pm
How might you explain to a new student of English what is happening in such sentences as these?

Terry is in the library.
Terry may be in the library.
Terry might be in the library.
Terry might have been in the library.
Terry could be in the library.
Terry can be in the library.
Terry should be in the library.
Terry will be in the library.
  • Topic Stats
  • Top Replies
  • Link to this Topic
Type: Question • Score: 0 • Views: 1,507 • Replies: 20
No top replies

 
contrex
 
  1  
Reply Sat 3 Oct, 2009 02:52 pm
@speedy04,
Presuming that the new student knows what a sentence is, I would divide the sentence up into its constituent parts of speech and clearly describe the function and purpose of each one.

I would start with the first and simplest sentence.

Terry(proper noun - person's name) is(verb 'to be' - present tense; 3rd person singular) in(preposition of place) the(definite article) library(noun - type of room or building).

After that, I would examine the different verb forms in the later sentences using a similar approach.


Merry Andrew
 
  1  
Reply Sat 3 Oct, 2009 03:56 pm
@speedy04,
What do pronouns have to do with your question?
0 Replies
 
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sat 3 Oct, 2009 06:55 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
Presuming that the new student knows what a sentence is, I would divide the sentence up into its constituent parts of speech and clearly describe the function and purpose of each one.


I may be wrong, C, but I don't think that this is the "happening" Speedy was looking for.
contrex
 
  1  
Reply Sun 4 Oct, 2009 02:55 am
@JTT,
yes, I thought about this, but it seemed that the only alternative is a kind of circular exercise where you say "In the first sentence, Terry (that's a guy) "is" (now) "in" (that means located or situated within) "the" (that's a definite article before a noun implying that there is only one of them) "library" (that's a room or building full of books) - There ya go - Terry is in the library!"

What do you think is the "happening" Speedy is looking for?
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sun 4 Oct, 2009 10:48 am
@contrex,
Quote:
What do you think is the "happening" Speedy is looking for?


The meaning generated by each modal shift.
contrex
 
  1  
Reply Sun 4 Oct, 2009 12:00 pm
@JTT,
Go for it, big guy!
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sun 4 Oct, 2009 12:33 pm
@contrex,
I certainly was never suggesting you would do it, Contrex.
0 Replies
 
contrex
 
  1  
Reply Sun 4 Oct, 2009 01:04 pm
Terry is in the library.

At this point in time, Terry is in the library.

Terry may be in the library.


(a) Terry has permission to be in the library.
(b) It is possible that Terry is in the library at this point in time.

Terry might be in the library.

It is possible that Terry is in the library at this point in time.

Terry might have been in the library.

It is possible that Terry has been in the library at some point in the past.

Terry could be in the library.

It is possible that Terry is in the library at this point in time.

Terry can be in the library.

(a) Terry has permission to be in the library.
(b) It is possible that Terry is in the library at this point in time.

Terry should be in the library.

Terry ought to be in the library.

Terry will be in the library.

At some time in the future, Terry will be in the library.

JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sun 4 Oct, 2009 01:24 pm
@contrex,
Terry is in the library.

At this point in time, Terry is in the library.

Terry may be in the library.

(a) Terry has permission to be in the library.
(b) It is possible that Terry is in the library at this point in time.

Terry might be in the library.

It is possible that Terry is in the library at this point in time.

Terry might have been in the library.

It is possible that Terry has been in the library at some point in the past.

You forgot the one time use.

Terry could be in the library.

It is possible that Terry is in the library at this point in time.

Terry can be in the library.

(a) Terry has permission to be in the library.

(b) It is possible that Terry is in the library at this point in time.

You've lumped 'can/could/may/might' all together. If they all had identical meanings, English would have no need of three of the four.

Is 'can' used for these one time specific senses, C? It doesn't sound quite right, except as, possibly, a strong assertion to counter a denial.



Terry should be in the library.

Terry ought to be in the library.

You forgot deontic 'should/ought to'


Terry will be in the library.

At some time in the future, Terry will be in the library.

You forgot the now of 'will'.
0 Replies
 
contrex
 
  1  
Reply Sun 4 Oct, 2009 01:41 pm
Well done, JTT, and thanks for helping me out. It would be interesting if the OP were to come back and let us know if the answers so far meet his or her needs.
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sun 4 Oct, 2009 06:00 pm
@contrex,
Are you Speedy, C?
contrex
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 12:22 am
@JTT,
I am not sure what you mean. If you are asking if I am under the influence, or a habitual user of, amphetamines, the answer is "No!"...
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 10:15 am
@contrex,
Speedy is the OP, C.
contrex
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 10:58 am
@JTT,
Oh I see. I meant "thanks for helping me attempt to answer the OP's question".
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:05 am
This is why I think that all English teachers are deranged.
0 Replies
 
farmerman
 
  2  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:06 am
@speedy04,
If I was teaching new ENglish students, Id be sure to be fluent in their language so that these modalities were understood in the kids homey speak
Merry Andrew
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:18 am
@farmerman,
Agreed. If I were to be asked to teach ESL, I'd do it only for people whose first language I knew. I don't understand how it can even be done (adequately) otherwise.
0 Replies
 
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 12:54 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
If I was teaching new ENglish students, Id be sure to be fluent in their language so that these modalities were understood in the kids homey speak


Big big mistake, FM. It's hard enough for ELLs/ESLs to get shed of mother tongue influences without using methods that pretty much assure that they are cast in stone.

0 Replies
 
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 02:03 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
I meant "thanks for helping me attempt to answer the OP's question".


You're welcome, Contrex.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

deal - Question by WBYeats
Let pupils abandon spelling rules, says academic - Discussion by Robert Gentel
Please, I need help. - Question by imsak
Is this sentence grammatically correct? - Question by Sydney-Strock
"come from" - Question by mcook
concentrated - Question by WBYeats
 
  1. Forums
  2. » pronouns description
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.07 seconds on 04/28/2024 at 06:01:05