then and there; there and then

good question

then and there; there and then

I'd say the former is more often used, Fansy.

I'd say the latter is more used.

Why not google it?

I googled it, the results were perplexing. I used there and then, but I found some others used then and there. So which of you is "more" correct?

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,660,000 English pages for "then and there"

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,260,000 English pages for "there and then"

So there you are then.

It seems we stood and talked like this before, but who knows where or when?

I don't mean to argue, but in this case, any result may also include combinations of these three words, like "there", "then", and "and"; or "and", "there" and "then", etc. So, the two results you showed us may not be accurate. But I believe, "then and there" should be first choice.

Argue away, Fansy, I've no problem with that.

I did an "Advance search", exact phrase, English only search, so I don't think that the results would include combinations of these three words, like "there", "then", and "and"; or "and", "there" and "then", etc.

But it sometimes does come up with a sentence final, sentence initial split, like,

... then. And there was a ... .

I see. I am convinced. Thanks.

were you convinced

then and there or

there and then?

I'm convinced here and now.

I'm certainly not at all convinced as to which is most common, Fansy. I only told you how I did the search to let you know that the problem you envisioned likely wasn't there.

I've got to this stage of my life using English without ever knowing which was more common and it's had no effect on me, so I suspect that it will have little effect on you and your use of English.

British users say envisaged rather than envisioned.