Barack Obama is an illeagal allien.

Thomas says it's beige now. It was pink the last time i saw one, which has been quite some time ago. I've not completed a Form I9 in quite some time, either, so i didn't recall the exact details of the requirements, but i do know that you aren't required to provide a birth certificate. I used to take a driver's license and the social security card, and that was fine for my purposes. The last two small businesses i managed were, respectively, an electrical services company (installation and service) and low-voltage security company (equipment and systems--sales, installation and service). We didn't have any immigrants coming around looking for work with us, and those we did employ had no problem coming up with a driver's license and a social security card.

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@Setanta,

Last company I worked for was an O&G well servicing in New Mexico. With 50 regular positions and almost 100%* turnover, we had lots of immigrants looking for work. Evidently, they had no problem coming up with good looking documents, either. Some of them were real.

*It required around 95 to 100 forms W-2 every year.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

Evidently, they had no problem coming up with good looking documents, either. Some of them were real.

Thanks, Boss--i got a good chuckle out of that one.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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This "birther" nonsense is just that and it allows liberals to throw mud on the substantive objections to the Obama presidency.

What substantive objections? You mean that he is a Moslem, or that he wants to set up secret death panels.

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@ebrown p,

I suspect he means the part about Obama being a bat-**** crazy socialist who wants to destroy our American way of life and take away all of our freedoms.

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@wandeljw,

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"Birther" Infomercial Hits the Airwaves
(Stephanie Condon, CBS News, September 25, 2009)

The suspicion that President Obama was born outside of the United States has been written off as a conspiracy theory, but that hasn't stopped the so-called "birther" movement from keeping their theories alive.

A fundamentalist Christian Web site LivePrayer.com has produced a 28-minute infomercial dedicated to questioning where the president was born. It has run at least once on a CBS affiliate in Lubbock, Texas.

LivePrayer.com was founded by Christian minister Bill Keller, who committed his life to God after spending time in prison for insider trading, according to his site. The infomercial is also the work of attorney Gary Kreep, executive director of the birther group United States Justice Foundation, Talking Points Memo reports. He reportedly said the infomercial will run for at least two and a half weeks on stations around the country.

Mr. Obama has "vigorously fought.. to keep his birth information secret," Keller says in the program. "What is he hiding?"

The half hour spot encourages viewers to call a phone number to add their names to a list petitioning GOP leaders to "force President Obama to obey the law." In thanks for their support, viewers will receive a "Got a birth certificate?" bumper sticker. It also informs viewers that for just $30, they can have a fax sent on their behalf to all 50 state attorneys general and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder demanding they force President Obama to supply his official State of Hawaii birth certificate.

"Join hundreds of thousands of Americans who simply want the truth," Keller says.

Keller may be right about the persistence of the rumor -- a recent poll showed that that 42 percent of Republicans believe Barack Obama was born outside of the United States while 22 percent said they were unsure.

And while the White House has, of course, dismissed the theory as "totally crazy," some Republicans have quietly perpetuated the myth. California Rep. John Campbell co-sponsored a bill (with at least nine others) requiring presidential candidates to submit a birth certificate and refused to give a straight answer when asked whether he believed the president was born in the United States.

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@wandeljw,

That video is great.

The scam is they are getting true believers to send $30 to send a fax to all Attorneys general (at a cost of pennies).

The guys behind this video are businessmen just trying to make a buck. It seems to me it is win-win. Their customers get a warm fuzzy feeling of having done something.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

I've not completed a Form I9 in quite some time, either, so i didn't recall the exact details of the requirements, but i do know that you aren't required to provide a birth certificate.

I don't see the relevance of form I-9 to this discussion. American labor law does not distinguish between natural-born citizens and foreign-born ones. Accordingly, form I-9 need not ask employees for any documentation of where they were born. So of course it doesn't require a birth certificate!

The American presidency is the only job in the US where the law -- the constitution to be precise -- cares whether the citizen applying for it is natural-born or not. It's the only job where applicants have to establish their country of birth. Birth certificates are the documents of choice for doing that. So the birthers' unreasonableness, no, their insanity, isn't that they want Obama to produce his birth certificate. It's that they keep demanding it even though he already has produced it, and even though it's patently obvious that he did.

roger wrote:

Everyone but the government still calls it a green card. What is it now, Resident Alien?

Mine says "Permanent Resident Card".

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@Thomas,

The clown who started this thread, Thomas, alleged that he was required to provide a birth certificate in order to apply for employment, and that being unable to produce one on the spot, he was denied the opportunity.

Roger and I have been discussing the only form which is used across the nation and which requires you to identify yourself. Not only that, but the employer is only required to complete DoJ Form I9 if you get the job--there is no requirement in Federal law to identify yourself simply in order to apply

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Just so you understand, what we have here is a birther who claims he is not a birther, and is making **** up in a lame attempt to justify his whine.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

The clown who started this thread, Thomas, alleged that he was required to provide a birth certificate in order to apply for employment, and that being unable to produce one on the spot, he was denied the opportunity.

OK, sorry, I had missed that part.

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Wait, I think you people are losing sight of what's important here. That being the fact that the originator of this thread is a complete ******* idiot. Has anyone made that point yet? I certainly hope so, because that is the most important thing that we should take from this thread.

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Oh, I see that Setanta has addressed this issue. Thank you, sir. Good work.

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I suspect that he's a shameless liar, too, Kick.

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Yep, most likely.

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Let's have an answer to the Birthers: the Transcripters.

The Transcripters will seek the college transcripts of sarah palin!

the only thing that it will prove is how many one night As sarah earned.

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I'm not sure whether it's restricted to only getting an India VISA, but they required a copy of my birth certificate in addition to a copy of my driver's license, and college degree to apply for a VISA for my forthcoming trip to India in November.

This is the first time I was required to submit all this paperwork with my VISA application, so I'm not sure whether this applies for other countries as well.

I hope it's not.

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