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Harper government survives confidence vote

 
 
Reyn
 
Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 06:44 pm
I think Layton did the right thing in supporting the Conservatives under these conditions. Canada definitely does not need yet another election at this time - one that might very well yield similar results.

The positives are the changes to the EI act and the home renovation tax credit.


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Harper government survives confidence vote

Joan Bryden, THE CANADIAN PRESS
at 13:53 on September 18, 2009, EDT.

OTTAWA - A weeklong political roller-coaster glided to an anticlimactic halt Friday as Stephen Harper's minority government easily survived its first confidence test of the fall parliamentary session.

As expected, a Conservative budget motion sailed through the House of Commons by a vote of 224-74, with the support of the NDP and the Bloc Quebecois.

The Liberals, who have propped up the government on 79 consecutive confidence votes, stood en masse in opposition for the first time since Harper came to power in January 2006.

Liberal MPs have long chafed at swallowing their convictions to avoid an election and fumed over NDP taunts of cowardice. They were elated to finally turn the tables Friday, jeering as grim-faced New Democrats took on the role of chief government stabilizer.

"It feels good to stand up for conviction," Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said later.

He mocked NDP Leader Jack Layton.

"You know, Jack and Jill have gone up the hill and we know how that little fairy tale ended."

"Jill" was an apparent reference to the leader of the Bloc Quebecois, Gilles Duceppe, who also supported the government in the vote.

The vote capped a week in which the chances of a fall election careened from all-but-certain to remote. Just how long Harper's Conservatives have staved off defeat remains to be seen and is almost entirely dependent on the NDP.

Ignatieff intends to propose a non-confidence motion at the earliest opportunity, expected during the first week of October.

Duceppe reiterated Friday that his party will support the Liberal motion, leaving the government's fate in Layton's hands.

Layton reiterated Friday that his party will prop up the government at least long enough to pass legislation extending $1 billion worth of employment insurance benefits to long-term workers.

Liberals wanted to fast-track that legislation through Parliament before the next confidence test, robbing Layton of his rationale for supporting the government. But the Bloc stymied all-party negotiations Thursday to expedite the process, leaving the bill to wend its way through Parliament at the normal pace, which typically takes months.

The NDP leader, who has boasted about being the "real opposition" to Harper, tried to put the best face on his party's abrupt reversal of roles.

He argued that NDP support for Friday's motion was necessary to ensure budget measures, including the popular home renovation tax credit and an income tax credit for the working poor, are implemented.

"I sure wouldn't want to face the hundreds of thousands of folks who went out and picked up a hammer or hired a contractor and expected to have a tax commitment honoured," Layton said.

Beyond the budget measures contained in Friday's motion, he said it's important to pass the EI bill so that jobless Canadians get the help they need.

"The House of Commons should be a place that helps people out when they're in tough times. ... We would prefer to get action on the issues that people are concerned about than to have an election."

The Bloc's Duceppe maintained the EI bill will benefit only a small percentage of long-term workers - primarily in Ontario's auto sector - and castigated New Democrats for supporting it.

"They are scared of having an election. Period."

Layton agreed the bill won't help many unemployed but indicated that the NDP wants to pass it as a first step and seek further improvements to the EI system later.

Layton has hinted that once the EI bill is passed the government will have to come up with other inducements if it wants continuing NDP support on confidence matters.

Harper has excoriated the Liberals for contemplating a coalition last fall with "socialists and separatists." But his finance minister, Jim Flaherty, made no apologies Friday for relying on same alliance to clear the way for his budget measures.

"You do what you have to do," he said.

"This has been the most serious economic decline since the Second World War ... and we're still not out of the woods. We need to stay the course."

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Reyn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 09:19 pm
Laughing Laughing Laughing

Canadian politics isn't very popular, is it?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 10:26 pm
@Reyn,
The net result from the home renovation tax credit is pretty much a joke.

The changes to the EI act are insignificant compared to the fact that a huge amount of EI funds now go to towards promoting pregnancy and thus overpopulation, pollution, mindless consumption, vacuous materialism, etc.

In any case the elimination of the $100,000 cap gains exemption completely overshadows any so-called "benefits" from changes as per EI, home renovation tax credit, RESP, etc.

The bottom line: said changes to the EI act, home renovation tax credit, RESP etc simply pander to the ignorant and gullible, while the massive tax grabs from the aforementioned elimination of the $100,000 cap gains exemption, and tax creep (to name but a few) demonstrate the government's lack of both fiscal and monetary restraint.

I'm wholly underwhelmed by these worse-than-insignificant-gestures, and you should be too Reyn!
Reyn
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:05 pm
@Chumly,
Chumly wrote:

The net result from the home renovation tax credit is pretty much a joke.

Of course I'm not over-impressed, but, these days, I'll take what I can get.

Currently, our townhouse complex is getting the roof shingles replaced, and you don't think I'm not going to claim for my $1350? Laughing

Let's face it, it's out of our hands. I didn't vote the jerks in, but I applaud Layton for making an effort to try to get some improvement, however little it is.

Otherwise, the changes wouldn't have happened at all.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:19 pm
@Reyn,
I'm not digging it. I'd vote for Duceppe if I could do it without moving. Only sane one of the bunch.
Reyn
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:43 pm
@ehBeth,
You mean the guy with the "federal party" that only represents Quebec and their interests? Shocked
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 02:54 pm
@Reyn,
That's the one. He's the only 'federal' leader I have any respect for. The others are a buncha yobs. Stinky yobs at that.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2009 07:45 am
@Reyn,
Let's clarify before we move ahead with this to see what your true net benefit is!

Are you telling me that you are actually going to pocket $1,350 or are you telling me that the $1,350 is the amount by which your taxable income is reduced?
Reyn
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2009 11:24 am
@Chumly,
The max tax credit you can get (which I will qualify for) is $1350. As you well know, that doesn't mean that's what gets deducted from your tax.

Of course, it's multiplied by another figure and you get a percentage.

Like I said though, I'll take whatever I can get. I'm still going to claim it, even though it won't amount to much.
Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2009 11:33 am
@Reyn,
The question at hand is: how much money will you get in your pocket after all is said and done?
Reyn
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2009 11:42 am
@Chumly,
I won't get any money in my pocket, Chum. It's a tax credit, not a refund.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 04:58 pm
@Reyn,
still happy with your yobs?
Reyn
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 05:28 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

still happy with your yobs?

I take it you're referring to the NDP? Every party has it faults, including them.

For me, if I didn't vote for them, I'd probably put in a blank ballot.

Voting these days, and I include provincially and municipally in that, is much a matter of holding one's nose and hoping for the best.

Look at B.C. Mr. Campbell is the image of what most folks have about politicians. He couldn't tell the truth if it was tattoed on the back of his hand. Mad
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 09:37 am
Ignatieff says he will move a vote of no confidence. The Bloc has promised to vote with him, and Layton has said he'll vote with the government. I wonder what kind of foolishness Ignatieff is up to.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 09:56 am
@Reyn,
By yobs, I mean everyone except Mr. Duceppe.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 09:57 am
@Setanta,
Gilles is going with Iggy? sheesh, now, I'll have to throw Gilles into the yob pile as well.
Reyn
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 11:40 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Gilles is going with Iggy? sheesh, now, I'll have to throw Gilles into the yob pile as well.

Yes, it's not good to put any politician on a pedestal these days, even if it's a small one.

Mr. Duceppe isn't any different than any other politician.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 11:47 am
@Reyn,
considering that the term I used for him was "any respect", he wasn't on much of a pedestal
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hamburgboy
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 12:04 pm
@Reyn,
reyn wrote :

Quote:
Voting these days, and I include provincially and municipally in that, is much a matter of holding one's nose and hoping for the best.


i'm still holding my nose , but have pretty well given up " hoping for the best " .
it's more like : " i hope the worst won't happen " .
( i know i'm getting old and crotchety .. ... complain , complain , complain ... ... . "why doesn't anyone do something about the weather ? "
right now a little sunshine would be nice , so i could go for a walk ; but no , the clouds are rolling in again - grumble ) .
Reyn
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 12:48 pm
@hamburgboy,
hamburgboy wrote:

i'm still holding my nose , but have pretty well given up " hoping for the best " .
it's more like : " i hope the worst won't happen " .

The worst does inevitably happen, even if one isn't given a choice.

Take, again, for example, the recent announcement of the introduction of the HST in B.C. next July by our wonderful Liberals here.

They are quoted as saying something like, it wasn't on our radar during the recent provincial election last May, but they're going to do it anyways. They know darn well that the outcome of that election would have been different. Perhaps we may have even had a minority NDP government - who knows?

They all look like this:

http://www.math.vanderbilt.edu/~ugsem/pinocchio.PNG
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