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Acorn orders independant investigation

 
 
Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2009 10:13 am
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/16/ap/politics/main5316181.shtml

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2009 10:14 am
@gungasnake,


Why link to that trash website FR, Gunga?

Cycloptichorn
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2009 10:53 am
This story is a very hot topic at present, outside of thought-controlled discussion groups at least...
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2009 11:04 am
More:

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE58F5JP20090916
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 07:08 am
House pulls plug on acorn:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_ACORN?SITE=CAVIC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 10:47 am
@gungasnake,
More coming:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2342973/posts
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 12:21 pm
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Workers for Acorn, the national community organizing group, recently were caught in an amateur sting so ridiculous it could have been a comedy skit, pulled off by a 25-year-old filmmaker, Bergen County native James O'Keefe.

Dressed as a caricature of a pimp from a really bad movie and accompanied by a scantily clad 20-year-old woman posing as a prostitute, O'Keefe visited Acorn offices seeking advice on how to buy a house and start a business in it -- a brothel. Which, by the way, would employ underage girls from El Salvador.


Anyone with a lick of sense would have started looking for the hidden camera. Or called the cops -- which is exactly what Acorn says its workers in Philadelphia did. But Acorn workers at offices in Brooklyn, Baltimore, Washington and California were caught on videotape counseling the preposterous pair on disguising their business and avoiding taxes. An Acorn employee in Baltimore suggested the hooker describe her job as "freelance performing artist" and the pimp consider claiming the young prostitutes as dependents.

What, they couldn't have just sent them to Barnes and Noble for a copy of "Prostitution for Dummies"?

Those snipping sounds you hear are ties to Acorn being cut: The Senate quickly voted to prohibit the Department of Housing and Urban Development from giving it federal housing money. (Proponents of the ban said Acorn had received $53 million in federal funding since 1994.) The Census Bureau dropped Acorn as a partner. House Republican leader John Boehner asked President Obama to cut off all federal financing: "It is evident that Acorn is incapable of using federal funds in a manner consistent with the law," he wrote.

Acorn (the Association of Commuity Organizations for Reform Now) has worked in low- and moderate-income areas for higher minimum wages, more affordable housing and increased voter registration -- all noble causes. But it came under fire during the last election for hiring voter-registration workers who turned in phony names. Since then the group has put in place a new management team, and in response to O'Keefe's videos, Acorn CEO Bertha Lewis has announced its service programs will not take on any new clients until after an independent review of its procedures and re-training for all its frontline staff. As for the workers whose indefensible behavior made them video stars, they've been fired.

Acorn contends the videos were doctored, O'Keefe was turned away at other Acorn offices, and the sting was part of a right-wing effort to destroy the group. Indeed the organization has become a favorite target of conservative groups. But it's clear it needs to clean up its act. And the federal government should turn off the spigot until it does.


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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 01:11 pm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2343094/posts

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ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis announced today the closure of the organization's Philadelphia office and the termination of its Philadelphia-based employees after evidence surfaced of a pervasive judgmental attitude toward, and discriminatory treatment of, citizens involved in the sex industry, and especially the youth portion of the industry.

"Reports have been circulating that 'mystery shoppers' posing as a sex worker and her supervisor approached our Philadelphia office seeking assistance in obtaining a mortgage to purchase a location for their business," said Lewis. "Our internal investigation indicates that these employees not only refused to assist the young entrepreneurs, but even alerted the police to their activities. Such actions likely had racial motivations, and cannot be tolerated by our organization."

Lewis continued, "These same mystery shoppers conducted tests in many of our other offices, all of which passed with flying colors - especially the San Diego office, which scored extra service points for offering to assist in the transportation and smuggling portions of the business.

Lewis went on to explain that, had such a business startup been successful, it would have resulted in better-paying jobs for the child sex slave sector of their constituency, and increased membership dues paid to her organization.

"The fact that the mystery customers were not actually involved in starting up such a business does not change the fact that our offices are expected to help people in situations like this, not turn them in to the racist police. We will be conducting extensive staff training in the coming days to ensure that our clients receive the highest level of service, without regard to the legality or illegality of their endeavors," said Lewis.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), who had been highly critical of the Philadelphia office's refusal to assist in the child brothel startup, said, "I think I speak for the entire sex trade industry in welcoming the positive steps ACORN has taken today. Customers and providers alike - both of which roles I have filled from time to time - rely on a robust and healthy industry, and that needs to include a certain number of young people, especially of international origin."

ACORN indicates that its Philadelphia office will remain closed until they are able to hire replacement staff.
revel
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 02:28 pm
@gungasnake,
I noticed under the title it reads:

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My twisted mind


And at the bottom it reads:

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Yes, this is a vanity satire.


I don't think it is meant seriously.

gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 02:59 pm
@revel,
most would figure that out sooner or later...
revel
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 07:20 am
@gungasnake,
Yea, when you read it, it was pretty obvious, but then again when you read the whole story about those two too obvious pimp and prostitute and the stupid responses from the workers, it reads like satire, but apparently it ain't.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 08:36 pm
@revel,

This one is pretty remote from any sort of a picture of a good organization with one or two bad apples. These guys' normal thing is more like political crimes, stealing elections, manufacturing votes, and generally the kinds of activities which characterized Tamany Hall only with modern technology and methods appropriate for today's political system.

Nonetheless that sort of political crime doesn't register on the common mind any more. Democrats in particular see that as service to a good cause. What happened was that a small group of conservative activists who I assume involved Andy Breitbart got together to brainstorm the thing and what they came up with must have been something like:

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"Hey, you know, these guys are all basically one step removed from ordinary street thugs and what not, it just shouldn't be that terribly hard to show that to the American people. Let's simply show the world what happens when these guys are given opportunities to revert to form..."



I mean it would be one thing if only one or two acorners had been taken in by this **** but as I read it, they did this stunt at any number of acorn offices and pretty much ALL of them bought it.
revel
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 06:35 am
@gungasnake,
All but one, but I see your point, something must be wrong with the organization if they are hiring so many corrupt workers. I don't think you are going to get many arguments on this one as acorn is being dropped faster than a hot potato.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2009 12:05 pm
What a bullshit distraction this whole thing has been.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ACORN_HIDDEN_CAMERA?SITE=FLSTU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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Sep 21, 10:29 PM EDT

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NATIONAL CITY, Calif. (AP) -- Police say a worker with the activist group ACORN who was caught on video giving advice about human smuggling to a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute had reported the incident to authorities.

National City police said Monday that Juan Carlos Vera contacted his cousin, a police detective, to get advice on what to with information on possible human smuggling.

Vera was secretly filmed on Aug. 18 as part of a young couple's high-profile expose.

Police say he contacted law enforcement two days later. The detective consulted another police official who served on a federal human smuggling task force, who said he needed more details.

The ACORN employee responded several days later and explained that the information he received was not true and he had been duped.

Vera was fired on Thursday.

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A couple of young Conservative dickheads set out honey pots, secretly filmed it, and used Breitbart to blow the whole thing up into an exceedingly fake scandal.

Cycloptichorn
revel
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 07:30 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclop, it is well and good she reported the incident to authorities, but what explanation has she (or any of the others) given for giving that sort of advise in the first place? The whole story is somewhat bizarre and a little unbelievable that anyone would be that dumb in the first place and currupt in the second place.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 02:24 pm
@revel,
revel wrote:

Cyclop, it is well and good she reported the incident to authorities, but what explanation has she (or any of the others) given for giving that sort of advise in the first place? The whole story is somewhat bizarre and a little unbelievable that anyone would be that dumb in the first place and currupt in the second place.



So, the workers at ACORN regularly meet with and deal with people with all sorts of mental instabilities. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they hear all sorts of crazy stuff; and it's usually better to play along than it is to challenge someone who may not be mentally stable.

More importantly, the workers in question claim that they (in a portion of the meeting which was not released) indicated that they thought the whole thing was a joke and that comments from the douchebags who met with them led them to believe it was a joke.

Related:

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ACORN Sues Over Damaging Video
Secret Recording in Baltimore Violated Wiretapping Law, Liberal Group Says

ACORN, the community organizing group embarrassed recently in a video sting, said Wednesday that it needs to determine whether it has major internal problems, but it also struck back, filing a lawsuit against the people who conducted the secret investigation.

Bertha Lewis, head of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, told reporters in a conference call that ACORN does not support criminal activity and that it thinks the filmmakers should have obeyed Maryland laws. In the state, where one video that embarrassed ACORN was made, the act constituted illegal wiretapping, the suit says.

The videos airing in the past two weeks show ACORN housing counselors advising two young conservative activists posing as a pimp and a prostitute on how to conceal their criminal business.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/23/AR2009092302285.html

Cycloptichorn
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 02:40 pm
It seems to me that this scandal is being blown up to ridiculous proportions. No one is considering the good that ACORN does, and how minor this scam is. How does it compare to ABSCAM, which was many times more serious. No one thought to cut all funding from congress over it. Also, it is interesting that the Reps went after a black organization. Consider that they earlier had Van Carter ousted from the administration over virtually nothing.

The Reps should realize that groups will now seek to scam (on video) groups on the right. I can't wait.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2009 05:17 pm
@Advocate,
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It seems to me that this scandal is being blown up to ridiculous proportions. No one is considering the good that ACORN does, and how minor this scam is....


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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2009 10:21 am
ACORN's alleged misdeeds are nothing compared to past Rep dirty tricks.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/092509a.html
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2010 03:00 pm
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/filmmaker_who_broke_acorn_story_arrested_for_attem.php?ref=fpblg

Film-maker behind the ACORN video setups arrested for attempting to bug a phone in Mary Landrieu's office in LA.

Just goes to show the quality of people we're talking about here.

Cycloptichorn
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