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Cats+Mice+Coyotes=Problem!

 
 
Chumly
 
Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 05:14 pm
I need to let my cats out to catch the mice, but in doing so they get eaten by coyotes. Any number of our kitties over the years have been eaten by coyotes, but it's now so bad that they'll "disappear" in a mater of hours if left outside!

If I don't let the cats out, then the nearby rodent population will invade everything including (as has already happened) my sports car, the basement, various garden sheds, etc.

I've set a zillion traps, but the more traps I set the more mice were caught, and so over time it seemed (if anything) that the peanut butter bait simply attracted more mice than were ever caught.

I've tried various rodent poisons, but even though they may have worked to some degree, I got concerned about other animals eating the poisoned rodents such as bobcat (yep seen a few in the backyard), owls (lots of them) eagles (lots of them) bears (lots of them) etc.

Am I out of options?
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 05:15 pm
@Chumly,
Your coyotes don't eat mice? Ours do.
Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 05:24 pm
@roger,
Oh they probably do eat mice, however it's pretty clear that not only do the mice win the numbers game big time, but the coyotes are now so numerous and speedy that a cat outside has only hours to live.

I've lost three cats in three months and that's being as careful as I can in letting them out only during peak daylight hours.

I'm told the coyote population is increasing and encroaching exponentially!
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 05:55 pm
@Chumly,
Don't let a house cat fall prey to a coyote, that's cruel. Coyotes eat rodents
too and usually keep the rodent population at bay. Due to the canyon and lush
landscaping around, we've got plenty of rodents and coyotes who feed off them.

The coyotes will take care of the rodents, don't worry, but keep the cats inside!
Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 06:29 pm
@CalamityJane,
You'd think the coyotes would take care of the rodents, but I've lived in this area for 20 years (and in this house for over 10 years) and that's not the case! They've invaded my sports car, garden sheds, basement etc.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 06:44 pm
Here is what the "Co-Existing with Coyotes Program Coordinator" told me via email. It's no help though!

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Keeping your cats indoors, especially at Dawn and Dusk and in the evenings is a common and useful strategy as coyotes are known to congregate in groups of 4-5 at those times whereas in the day they are seen usually in ones or two's at best, depending on the neighborhood.

Also, as long as cats are not too old, not overweight and not injured they
tend to be pretty good at eluding coyotes as they can climb tree's and get
under cars, bushes and fences whereas coyotes can't or are hindered in do
so effectively.

Coyote studies and monitoring efforts have shown that rodents make up an
average of 75% of a coyotes diet. This is certainly more accurate figure
in the winter months when their menu selection is reduced due to the lack
of berries and the such.

Written below is a standard coyote response I give to those that experience conflict with coyotes and will add further detail on what other action one can take to effectively co-exist with coyotes.

I hope this helps.

Thank you for contacting us regarding your coyote encounter. I have
logged your sighting, and attached some additional information for your
reference. Your sighting helps us monitor the whereabouts and behavior of
coyotes and we also contact local schools and offer them our Coyote 101
Presentation.

Please visit our website at: www.stanleyparkecology.ca and click on the
Co-existing with Coyotes link on the left hand panel. Here is some general information I like to pass on to those that have encountered coyotes:

Coyotes are opportunists and always looking and learning- it's a major factor in their success. They will check things out and if they see a weakness or other interesting thing, they may press further. Is this new thing? Food? A source of danger? Should I care? They're very curious animals.

Coyotes have adapted to urban areas due to the abundance of green spaces
combined with rodent population and garbage supplies that accompany any
dense human populations. It is important to maintain the boundary between
coyotes and people. It is when coyotes and other urban wildlife become too
comfortable around humans and our environments that the possibility for
conflict can occur. We therefore ask people to deter coyotes that are showing signs of being habituated.

Deterring coyotes:

Remember: It is not normal for coyotes to attack or pursue humans. Children and adults should never run from a coyote. A coyote will not
retaliate, unless it is cornered or feels trapped.

All Coyotes (including pups, immature, sick and injured coyotes) should be
met with displays of aggressive behavior which includes:
. Shouting in as loud and deep a voice as possible "Go away coyote".
. Throwing of stones, tennis balls, the coyote shaker or any available objects in its direction
. Aggressive shaking of umbrellas, hockey sticks, brooms, etc.
The above-mentioned points have all proven to be effective by: A) showing
coyotes that they have been noticed and not ignored, therefore creating a
boundary, and B) frightening coyotes off properties or ending encounters.

Attractants:

Urban coyotes are attracted to backyards by accessible garbage and compost, neglected sheds and properties (rat habitat), fallen tree fruit and vegetables, bird feed from feeders and outdoor pet food.

It is important that the whole community takes part in becoming aware of
the deterrents and attractants listed above. However, just as important is
taking action both as a household and a community. Working together will
reduce the number of overall sightings and encounters with coyotes in your
area and therefore reduce the chances of conflict.

People are often unknowingly in close contact with coyotes each day, and
in general are serving as 'ghosts of the city'. Coyotes are watching and
learning from us; we influence their behavior, and it will be our actions
that determine what the future holds for our neighborhoods.

Living with coyotes around is like living with any other neighbors- hardly
a reason to panic but at the same time take reasonable precautions and
stay alert to what goes on around you. If you have a bad feeling, pay
attention to it but don't overreact either. Discourage predators from
finding food around your house and always ensure your small pets are
supervised when at all possible.

The website will outline in more detail the issues regarding coyotes. The
following is a link to informative coyote video's that you can view on our
website at: www.stanleyparkecology.ca/programs/conservation/urbanWildlife/coyotes/video.php

We appreciate your support and welcome your contacting us again about any coyote related information you may come across in the future. We also
enjoy getting feedback on what has been successful for you and your
neighborhood so we can relay it to other communities.

Lastly, one can also assist us in spreading the news about coyotes in the
urban environment by posting up our brochure (that can be printed from our website) in local coffee shops and community notice boards. The more
people act, the fewer sightings will occur which results in less of a chance of possible conflicts with coyotes. I hope that all the above-mentioned points and the website answer many of your questions and helps you better understand how to co-exist with coyotes. I have attached a 'coyote shaker' blue print and our poster - please pass them on to anyone in your neighborhood who may be interested!

Please contact me should you have any questions.

Regards,

Phil Dubrulle
Co-Existing with Coyotes Program Coordinator
Stanley Park Ecology Society
P: 604-681-9453
F: 604-257-8378

Visit our website at www.stanleyparkecology.ca to view recent video of
Lower Mainland coyote encounters.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 07:35 pm
A donkey. They use 'em to protect sheep. They will kick the crap out of a coyote.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 07:45 pm
@Ceili,
Yes. In one of the videos (of your link Chumly) they even had a llama
protecting the sheep. It did an excellent job.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 07:55 pm
That would be the "Cat's Ass"!
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 08:18 pm
@Chumly,
I think you should get a bear.
Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 09:58 pm
@Rockhead,
It'll have to wait 'till a commercial, I'm watching the Sopranos...
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:04 pm
@Chumly,
prolly should just rent one though, ownership could be tricky.
Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:15 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
How much do they cost?
We offer two options for bear rental: a per-day fee and also a rent-to-buy option. The table below shows our prices:

Rent (per day)
Brown bear $500
Polar bear $700
Grizzly bear $1,000

Buy
Brown bear $200,00
Polar bear $500,000
Grizzly bear $1,000,000

http://homepages.wmich.edu/~kfd6825/assignments/assignment3/bears.html
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:19 pm
@Chumly,
see, only the very wealthy can afford to own one, but rentals are quite reasonable.

might want to be REAL sure the cats are indoors, and mebbe put the sports car at a friends for a week or two.

(bears are hell on convertible tops)

good luck...
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:28 pm
The bear better not try and swipe my sled!

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt77/Chumly_01/Biker20teddy20bear20on20Harley20Dav.jpg
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:36 pm
@Chumly,
did the site mention waste removal?

(bears poop a LOT)
Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:44 pm
@Rockhead,
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt77/Chumly_01/dre0582l.jpg
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:47 pm
@Chumly,
I think bears that can read are gonna cost ya extra.

(might be worth it, however...)
Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 11:09 pm
@Rockhead,
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt77/Chumly_01/05_10_306_Reading_bear_enh_500.gif
dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 11:13 pm
Now thats just silly.

What you need is a roadrunner
 

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