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Outrageous

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 12:53 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I have come to a greater understanding of the strangeness of Mao Tse Dung's rather strange "cultural revolution in China of a few decades ago. How the young and largely incomprehending Red Guards could sustain the illusion that they alone had the right understanding; and that all that is worth knowing or understanding was to be found in their ubiquitous little red books - was something that always mystified me. Even the young and inexperienced can't be as stupid as that, I thought.

It isn't stupidity at all. It is the fixed ideas of the dedicated true believer that so cripples their critical faculties. Worse, in their single-minded zealotry, they mistake their cant and dogma for critical thinking itself.

I was particularly enchanted by this interesting example of devastating logical refutation;

cyclo wrote:
.......and the rest of your argument supporting them is off-topic.
Brand WTF
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 12:53 pm
Has anyone checked the children?

The vile and damaging speech is over....make sure they are safe.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:03 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:
Was there ever any suggestion that Arnold Schwarzenegger might not be a suitable governor of California because of his Austrian heritage?


absolutely - it was quite heated at the time

there was the Waldheim thing

http://slate.msn.com/id/2086742/

then the issues about Arnold's father ...

it was pretty stinky
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Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:11 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

I have come to a greater understanding of the strangeness of Mao Tse Dung's rather strange "cultural revolution in China of a few decades ago. How the young and largely incomprehending Red Guards could sustain the illusion that they alone had the right understanding; and that all that is worth knowing or understanding was to be found in their ubiquitous little red books - was something that always mystified me. Even the young and inexperienced can't be as stupid as that, I thought.

It isn't stupidity at all. It is the fixed ideas of the dedicated true believer that so cripples their critical faculties. Worse, in their single-minded zealotry, they mistake their cant and dogma for critical thinking itself.

I was particularly enchanted by this interesting example of devastating logical refutation;

cyclo wrote:
.......and the rest of your argument supporting them is off-topic.



What a bunch of horse-****; when you are shown to be making a deficient argument, instead of bothering to respond, merely accuse your opponent of having an immature, communist mindset.

You ought to be better than this crap, I'm really disappointed in you. The saddest thing is your inability to recognize the fact that your anti-government mindset has worn such deep grooves in your grey matter, that you take your prejudiced opinion as a pure fact; you have bought into your own bullshit. So, when you say,

Quote:
Worse, in their single-minded zealotry, they mistake their cant and dogma for critical thinking itself.


You might want to look in the mirror for a while, pal.

Cycloptichorn
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:23 pm
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

Schwarz = black, negger = you see what..


Not really: Schwarz + egger = corner. Some ancestor of Arnold lived at a 'black corner' (Like in 'Black Forest') ages ago ...

[The first 'Hintelar' got his home (pre 1286) "behind the fields" = hente laar (see the famous Dutch footballer Huntelaar Wink ]
Francis
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes, Walter, I knew.

But can't you see that my story is much more appealing? Mr. Green
High Seas
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:34 pm
@Francis,
Francis wrote:
....But can't you see that my story is much more appealing? Mr. Green

To whom? Francis - I suspect you of being a fellow conservative Republican, following the advice I outlined on the previous page Smile
Francis
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:37 pm
@High Seas,
To me, obviously!

Your suspicions are unfounded..
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:39 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
You try pissing on my shoes, fat boy, and see what happens.

What's going to happen? And where do you get off calling anyone else "fat boy"? Or do you think you are entitled because you, yourself, are a fat man?
High Seas
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:41 pm
@Francis,
Ah! Wading into this bog of paranoia must have affected my brain - sorry. I mistook you for a political ally Smile
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/57/155595430_c5c05260e2.jpg
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High Seas
 
  0  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:50 pm
@Ticomaya,
Tico - perhaps he meant it jokingly: one of the earliest nuclear weapons was affectionately known as "Fat Boy". I do know that Setanta once called me a dog, which I'm sure was meant as a term of endearment Smile
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DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:53 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
and this from george.

georgeob1 wrote:
"(in a real market more providers relative to demand would mean lower unit costs)."


yup, usually does. that part is good for the end user.

now if you turn the concept around, and approach from the standpoint that a larger user group guarantees a larger income to the vendor, that also can bring down user outlay while the vendor makes a decent profit.

that was, as far as i could see, the idea of getting the government to lean on the drug manufacturers. "here's a big, big group of people that need your products. and because it's a big, big group, you should give them a better rate, and you will still make bank. "

but instead, the pharmies did the squeezing and the drug bill went from 150 billion (+/-) to closer to 720b. and that number was derived by counting on offsets. and the most bizarre part is that a lot of the people who complain loudest about the cost are benefitting from it.

have cake. eat it too. stephen hawking might be able to accomplish that, but i haven't found a way yet...

and now a similar thing is happening with this whole healthcare reform thing. these seem to be some of the main ideas of the republican side;

tort reform - of course. blame the lawyers. this is very good for the malpractice insurance companies and facilities. not so great for the patients. even with that kind of reform, do we really believe that a doctor's premiums will go down? and even if they did, do we believe that a doctor will charge less? will facilities quit overbooking doctors every day to maximize profits?

interstate insurance sales - wow. talk about a money maker. say your worried about a national health insurance putting companies out of business. there would be a flurry of acquisitions and takeovers. then the biggest would begin over powering the smaller providers. ask yourself; has american radio and television benefitted from the reduced diversity of ownership? think back.. when did the big consolidations really take hold? and when did reality t.v. take off? reality t.v. is dead cheap to make next to scripted episodics. and hey, who doesn't want to be a millionaire?

haven't even touched on the myriad of differences in the state laws. but the irony of this idea being pushed by the same people who are increasing carping about states rights and state sovereignty is mind boggling.

so where is the difference between the Prudential providing interstate insurance sales and a National Health program? i mean besides the Prudential also increasing it's real estate business?

health savings accounts - if that means simply tithing yourself to a specific savings account, that's not a bad idea in terms of cash at the ready. it does nothing to bring costs down. again, the insurance companies and medical industries applaud wildly. but lets say that we do this. you've been thriftily saving for that health emergency and you now have a good chunk for that lumbago transplant should the need arise. then, "boom!"; the market tanks, banks crumble, unemployment skyrockets, you get layed off and things get really, really tight. no money coming in, but the bills keep coming. soon you have gone through your regular savings and the bills still keep coming... so when that notice from the bank shows up demanding pay or quit, what can you do but start taking from your health savings account, just this once. uh-huhh.

murphy's law being what it is, right about the time that the health savings account is on fumes, your lumbago goes out.

so, you go to the hospital, they fix you, you got no green, so they "absorb" the cost. and then "unabsorb" it on the next patient who does have the folding stuff. pretty much another win for the medical industry more so than Joe Average.

'course we don't have to worry for Joe The Plumber. he will simply become, in addition to plumber, author, activist, politician and t.v. star, Joe The Cardiothoracic Surgeon.

but, if it is intended to be something like the bush idea of social security... ehhhh... it's crazy to count on the stock market for financial security. if that had become the thing, how many people would be flat broke after the last 2 or 3 years?


i don't have all the answers, but i don't see how those three things do much for us.

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Francis
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:55 pm
HS wrote:
I mistook you for a political ally


Neither that nor the other way around..
DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 01:59 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
... merely accuse your opponent of having an immature, communist mindset...


or even worse, of being...<gasp> young. "damn stupid young people, can't they see what a fine job us crusters are doing??"

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 03:50 pm
EJ Dionne nails it. You can call it whatever you like, but it is plainly obvious that the Republican party decided that Obama was an illegitimate president before he was even installed into office, and for the last several months have been acting in a dishonest, irrational fashion as a reflection of this.

Quote:

Staying in School and the 'Socialist Agenda'


We have just gone through one of the most shameful episodes of the young Obama presidency -- shameful because of the behavior of the right wing, shameful because the media played into an extremist agenda, shameful because we proved that our political system has become so dysfunctional that a president gets punished for doing the right thing.

Upon Barack Obama’s election, even my most conservative friends who supported John McCain said Obama could do a world of good for poor children in the country by stressing the importance of education, hard work, staying in school and taking responsibility. Yes, those are often thought of as conservative values.

But when Obama proposed to do just that on the first day of school, the far right -- without asking any questions or seeking any information -- decided to pounce, on the theory that everything Obama did should be attacked relentlessly as part of some secret and dangerous ideological agenda.

Out popped Jim Greer, the Florida Republican chairman, who accused the president of trying to “indoctrinate America's children to his socialist agenda."

In a normal world, the media would have asked Greer for proof of such a wild charge and, since he didn’t have any, his press release would have gone into the circular file.

But, no, the media is so petrified of being criticized for being “liberal” that it chose to take a lunatic charge seriously and helped gin up this phony controversy.

The only rationale for assailing Obama was a single line in a long memo from the Department of Education listing eight steps that students could take to further their goals. It listed the categories for those goals as “personal, academic, community, country."

Far from encouraging students to fight for a political agenda, the guidelines emphasized that teachers should focus on “personal and academic” goals. Then came the “controversial” sentences: “Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."

In validating their decision to allow the madcap right to dominate several news cycles with their attacks on Obama, many reporters and commentators kept repeating that all this was the fault of that single sentence written by Education Department “bureaucrats” -- as if this sentence was reason enough to give wide publicity to an outright lie about what Obama was up to.

In context, it was absolutely clear that the supposedly offending sentence was in no way about politics. But just to make sure, the Education Department rewrote the passage to clarify that the students’ letters should focus on their “short-term and long-term education goals.” Yes, it would have been nice if the Ed Department had used such a sentence in the first place. (In general, it would be nice if memos of this sort were written in plain English.) But nothing in the original document justified the paranoia the far right let loose.

And, of course, Obama’s speech was not at all “political” in any conventional definition of that word. It was about highlighting the importance of individual achievement. Here is an example of the president’s “socialist” propaganda, from the text of his speech:

I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world -- and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.

And that’s what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.

If that’s “socialist,” then Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan and just about every parent in America are “socialists.”

Oh, yes, and after reading the president’s remarks, the aforementioned Jim Greer, the Florida GOP chairman, declared: “It's a good speech. It encourages kids to stay in school and the importance of education, and I think that's what a president should do.”

But not a word of apology for helping set off a dishonest and destructive episode that led who knows how many parents to keep their kids home today or to forbid them from listening to a president urging them to do well in school.

One other point: Defenders of the right-wing argue that the left said terrible things about George W. Bush. That’s true. What the apologists miss is that the deep anger at Bush did not set in until he had been president for several years. Despite the rage over Florida and the Supreme Court’s Bush v. Gore decision, Bush did not face until much later in his administration anything like the hostility that Obama already confronts. Liberals, staunch liberals, were even willing to work with Bush on some issues -- remember, for example, Ted Kennedy’s work on the “No Child Left Behind” Act.

And the entire country, including almost all of the left, united behind Bush after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. (Here, to provide a personal example, is my own column of Oct. 12, 2001. Yes, what I wrote looks naive now, but I’m still glad I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt at that moment.) The far, far left that trashed Bush immediately after 9/11 was isolated and treated as cranky and even subversive by the mainstream media. Note how quickly Van Jones was driven from his administration job for singing that wacky post-9/11 petition. The far left faces much tougher public and media discipline than the far right.

The right-wing decided almost from Day One that a president elected with 53 percent of the vote (and 365 electoral votes) was illegitimate. They are trashing a moderate liberal as a socialist propagandist. They are getting a lot of press coverage for doing so. Where is the accountability?

Am I continuing to be naive in believing that, one of these days, a phalanx of responsible conservatives will stand up to the extremists? Boy, do I miss William F. Buckley Jr.

By E.J. Dionne | September 8, 2009; 1:30 PM ET


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/09/staying_in_school_and_the_soci.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Cycloptichorn
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 03:51 pm
Quote:
Limbaugh said, “We need a trillion dollars because Obama wants there to be no personal responsibility, except, well he is not even going to allow personal responsibility in your lifestyle. You are going to have that dictated to you too. That’s what this is all about is trying to get as much power over every aspect of every individual’s life as possible. That’s who the guy is. That’s why the speech today to the kids about personal responsibility it’s a trick. It’s a scam. It’s a joke.”




source

Compared to the speech:
Quote:

The President: Hello everyone " how’s everybody doing today? I’m here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we’ve got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I’m glad you all could join us today.

I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it’s your first day in a new school, so it’s understandable if you’re a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you’re in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could’ve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.

I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday " at 4:30 in the morning.

Now I wasn’t too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, I’d fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever I’d complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."

So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But I’m here today because I have something important to discuss with you. I’m here because I want to talk with you about your education and what’s expected of all of you in this new school year.

Now I’ve given a lot of speeches about education. And I’ve talked a lot about responsibility.

I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.

I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world " and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.
And that’s what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.

Every single one of you has something you’re good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That’s the opportunity an education can provide.
Maybe you could be a good writer " maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper " but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor " maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine " but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.

And no matter what you want to do with your life " I guarantee that you’ll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? You’re going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You can’t drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You’ve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.

And this isn’t just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you’re learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.

You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that " if you quit on school " you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country.

Now I know it’s not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.

I get it. I know what that’s like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasn’t always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didn’t fit in.

So I wasn’t always as focused as I should have been. I did some things I’m not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.

But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didn’t have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.

Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you don’t have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and there’s not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you don’t feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know aren’t right.

But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life " what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home " that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying.

Where you are right now doesn’t have to determine where you’ll end up. No one’s written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.

That’s what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.
Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn’t speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.

I’m thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, who’s fought brain cancer since he was three. He’s endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer " hundreds of extra hours " to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and he’s headed to college this fall.

And then there’s Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and she’s on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.

Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell aren’t any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.

That’s why today, I’m calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education " and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe you’ll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe you’ll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe you’ll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope you’ll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don’t feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.
Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.

I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you’re not going to be any of those things.

But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won’t love every subject you study. You won’t click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.

That’s OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who’ve had the most failures. JK Rowling’s first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
These people succeeded because they understand that you can’t let your failures define you " you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn’t mean you’re a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.

No one’s born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. You’re not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You don’t hit every note the first time you sing a song. You’ve got to practice. It’s the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before it’s good enough to hand in.
Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Don’t be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you don’t know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust " a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor " and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.

And even when you’re struggling, even when you’re discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you " don’t ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.
The story of America isn’t about people who quit when things got tough. It’s about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.

It’s the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.

So today, I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?

Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. I’m working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you’ve got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don’t let us down " don’t let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/

Yea, outrageous, it could only be scam or a trick because Obama wants to reform health care.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 04:01 pm
limbaugh, like his many fellow travelers, is built upside down.
High Seas
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 05:09 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Once again in English, please.
DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 05:13 pm
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:

Once again in English, please.


okay. he talks out of his ass and nothing comes out of his mouth but s**t.
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High Seas
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 05:15 pm
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

HS wrote:
I mistook you for a political ally


Neither that nor the other way around..

Truly I believe you. But I, and anyone else who has even the LEAST consideration for the right of intelligent animals like dogs (or any other sentient creature, which ab initio excludes Stalin followers) to live free of pain and suffering will NEVER forget the horrendous scene at the courtroom where this MONSTER had to admit his crimes. Call it racist, like the national bankruptcy and the hyperinflation, too - what's the euro to $ rate today, btw, one and a half?! BTW, am STILL awaiting the response of ya-ya-ya Snood to Q on previous page. But... on advice of political counsel, we'll play it long, and let them hang themselves .... long as they keep talking they will eventually fit their own necks into nooses, all we have to do is wait.
http://www.11alive.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090814113647_v-mike1.jpg
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