@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:No, you've just repeatedly tried to excuse the Republican behavior by spending a lot of time attempting to show that the Dems are equally guilty.
I've not once tried to excuse their behavior Cyclo. I'm trying to advocate for more edifying political discussion. For a long time, able2know has been my place to find it (amid the partisan nonsense that has always been here) but it's been harder for me recently (where the **** is nimh when you need him?).
My goal is to point out the hypocrisy of the selective outrage, and hopefully get some more meaningful discussion. But I think I learned my lesson, instead of trying to convince people who aren't interested in that level of discourse I should just seek out those who are.
So now I just got to figure out how to get the nimhs, the Freeducks, the sozobes, the Thomas', and the engineers to drop in more often, instead of trying to convince the ebrowns, the cyclos and the kuvazs to be who they aren't.
Quote:That's the functional equivalent of saying that they aren't doing anything wrong, in politics. Maybe I get this impression due to the fact that you seem to be spending most of your time lately, when it comes to posts involving politics, attacking those who are attacking the Republican party; do you just like the underdog, or what?
No, there just aren't a lot of conservatives here, if they were filling the politics discussions with such things I'd be saying the same thing to them. The few who are in politics are folk I've long given up on trying to discuss politics with and they also tend to frequent a handful of old threads (like those that Ican and Foxfyre seem holed up in) I never go to.
Quote:You ought to admit that there is quite a bit of validity to the complaints re: the right-wing treatment of Obama over the last year.
Sure, but I don't learn anything from the manufactured outrage about it. All the threads about just how awful and outrageous they are don't teach me a thing.
You and ebrown are examples I am willing to name, because you are both very intelligent and
very well informed politically. I could learn more from both of you than I do when you guys spend all your time talking about the other side's gaffes (or bullshit, whatever you want to call it).
So I'm tired of the one-way outrage, it is something that annoys me (probably in a similar way to the way my high horse annoys you). It has nothing at all to do with excusing Republicans, but with wanting more edifying political discussion than repeating "Republicans suck" ad nauseum.
Quote: Even if the Dems are equally guilty (which I don't agree with, but whatever), I'd love to see you condemn some of the bullshit flying around from the other side.
Here:
I condemn the bullshit that Republicans have tossed around. It is insipid and stupid.
But that's all I can really get out of that. I don't want to do that all day every day and focusing on their retards never teaches me anything. But when a roger comes along and expresses some reasonable reservations about Obama's health care plan I can think and learn something and consider positions I had that might need a bit more introspection.
But these days everywhere I go for political news and debate is a joke. CNN is selling out. They've become fanboys of Twitter and Facebook and are doing ridiculously insipid "news" (for example their weekly game of Kevin Bacon, which is completely retarded to be on a news site).
Other sites I go to that have user-generated content are much worse than able2know, and tend to be a solid hive mind that spends their time making jokes about what they've all decided they don't like (I'm looking at you reddit, digg etc). I don't discuss politics in the brick and mortar world, because of the old and very true adage that you don't discuss religion and politics in polite company, as well as because most people don't tend to be nearly as interested as I am. The discussions I have offline are full of ridiculous claims that I can't just debunk with a link, the communication is not asynchronous so if an ass wants to just shout then nobody else gets a turn.
So I'm pretty bummed, I used to get a lot more out of online discussions on abuzz and here, but don't really have a lot left to turn to. I'm stuck with a couple of smaller blogs and their article comments now. What does a guy have to do to get some decent political discussion going? I'm almost giving up till we make the groups feature of a2k again, so that I can make a sane enclave for this kind of thing.
That's what it is about to me, it has nothing to do with defending Republicans. That kind of thinking (where it has to be pro this and against that all the time) is exactly what is bothering the heck out of me.
I hesitated before fighting for it here, it's certainly not going to make me any friends in the partisan crowd, and it sucks to know that I'm irritating folks like you as much as you have been irritating me but it is what it is. I miss intelligent discussions about policy, and am sick to death of the "gotcha" that passes for political discussion everywhere.
It's
bullshit, I'm sick of it. I want something that
teaches me something, not just something that makes me laugh at Republicans gone wild. I get plenty of that everywhere else I turn.