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@mysteryman,

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Not to bring up history, but thats the same thing the left did to Bush in 2000 when he beat Gore, so it really isnt surprising that its happening to Obama now.

Yes, there were those on the far left that did just that. But they weren't the leaders of the Democrats nor were any of them in the Congress. I can't even think of too many voices on TV or radio that spent time on that. Certainly none on prime time.

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@snood,

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My question (again) is where are the reasoned voices from the right hiding?

Im one.
I oppose many of Obamas policies.
BUT, I have never called for his death, nor do I support anyone that does.
For anyone to say that I have, or for anyone to say that I have an of the so called "code words" is wrong.

What I find insulting is the idea that everyone that opposes Obama is racist or wants him to die.
The loudest voices are the ones that get noticed, but those people are a minority.
The rest of us are working to stop his policies from becoming law because we feel they are the wrong way to take the country, not because of Obama's skin color or any onther reason.

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No sarcasm here, MM, and no attempt at a slighting irony--do you automatically oppose all of his policies, or do you take it "one day at a time?" Are his policies axiomatically wrong, or do you apply a discriminating judgment?

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@Setanta,

No, his policies are not automatically wrong.
I dont oppose his policies without,in my mind, a good reason to.

I oppose his attempts at health care reform, not for any of the "socialism" reasons that the "ridiculous right" seems to use, but because I dont think there is anything wrong with health care in this country.

Yes, the health INSURANCE system has some serious problems, but there is nothing wrong with health care.

I support, with some reservations, his idea about talking to dictators and tyrants.
I do worry that he will take it to far and make America appear weak, but so far that hasnt happened.

I have never given a blanket opposition to any of his policies, and never will.
If I think he is right, I will say so.
If I think he is wrong, I will say so.

But for anyone to accuse me of opposing him simply on racial grounds is 100% wrong.

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@mysteryman,

Well, i've certainly never accused you of that. As for health care, it is my opinion that the costs in this country are horribly inflated, and that corporate ownership of the health care delivery system is the prime (but not the only) reason. I also believe that corporate ownership will actively interfere with solutions to health care delivery problems. In Canada, while it is true that the government has control over the health care delivery system such as does not exist in the United States, it is also true that it is based on an insurance control program. For example, in Ontario, it is the Ontario Health Insurance Program--people commonly refer to it as OHIP. It varies from province to province--in Québec, for example, you are not allowed to go outside the system. In Ontario, you can go outside the system, but you can't get OHIP to pay for any consultations or treatment obtained outside the system.

I frankly think that Mr. Obama's foreign policy is, at present, too vague, too amorphous. One hopes it will gel, and soon.

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@Merry Andrew,

I think you are right. However, remember Mencken's statement that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. Take a look at MM.

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@Advocate,

That was a pretty snotty and unwarranted remark. And you happen to be wrong--Mencken wrote that no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

...I support, with some reservations, his idea about talking to dictators and tyrants....

best way to do it. the supporting and the talking to both...

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@Eorl,

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...I thought you had the kind of democracy where you all fight black and blue over who should be elected leader, then accept the outcome and support your leadership. A clear majority elected this guy, let the man lead already! ...

Yep. My sentiments exactly.

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@Advocate,

OK,I'll bite.

Why the shot at me?

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http://wagist.com/images/political/education.jpg

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@mysteryman,

MM, I apologize. I was reading the thread very quickly and wrongly remembered you as the author of something really stupid.

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@ebrown p,

Oh, come on! Republicans hate blacks and Hispanics? Are we really this myopic?

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

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...I thought you had the kind of democracy where you all fight black and blue over who should be elected leader, then accept the outcome and support your leadership. A clear majority elected this guy, let the man lead already! ...

Yep. My sentiments exactly.

Nonsense. The American government was not designed to work that way and it never has. We don't elect kings.

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I just read the full text of the dreaded school speech. the whole point of it can pretty much be captured in these couple of lines...

"...at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life - what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you've got going on at home - that's no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That's no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That's no excuse for not trying.

Where you are right now doesn't have to determine where you'll end up. No one's written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.
That's what young people like you are doing every day, all across America. "

Yeah, I can see where this might be harmful to some of these good upstanding people's sons and daughters. Downright subversive.

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@ebrown p,

ebrown p wrote:

Republicans hate Blacks and Hispanics. My kids, who will be voting for many decades, understand this on a very deep level.

My kids, who will also be voting for many decades, do not understand this.

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It's surprising sometimes what even young kids pick up on and understand fully, whether the actual words are spoken aloud or not.

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@snood,

I don't think anyone thought there was something inherently wrong about the president's planned address to schoolchildren. Other presidents have done this before, and he offers some unique possibilities for a truly effective message that might inspire children of all racial/ethnic groups in a very beneficial way.

Instead it was the strange cloying lesson plan published by the Education department that focused so much on the person of the President and asked the children what they could do to respond to him personally that was over the top and offended so many people. I do agree that some latent racism may well have added to the intensity of this reaction. However, with or without it, the lesson plan was stupid and offensive.

There is little doubt that some political opponents have used this misstep for their own purposes. However, that is how the game is played on both sides of the asile by both parties. You yourself weren't particularly kind and considerate in your references to President Obama's predecessor.

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@georgeob1,

I'm glad you mentioned the lesson plan. Has there been a precedent of lesson plans around presidents' addresses? It seems rather odd (regardless of the actual content of the lesson plan).

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

I'm glad you mentioned the lesson plan. Has there been a precedent of lesson plans around presidents' addresses? It seems rather odd (regardless of the actual content of the lesson plan).

I don't know for sure. However the bit about personalizing the President's role in this is unique and new.

I doubt that the President was personally involved in creating this stupidity. It was likely done by his claques and supporters. There is an odd near idolotry that surrounds him coming from many of his supporters, To some degree that is understandable, however, that doesn't make it either rational or compulsory for the rest of us.

Probably as a result of our generations of raciual intolerance we today are immersed in a rather strange world in which it is OK for legislators of both parties who happen to be Black to organize themselves in a "Black Caucus" and even get government funding for their activities - while any white person who even suggested such a thing would instantly be branded as a racist. This stuff should be recognized as retrograde behavior based on precisely the same stupid rationalizations that were once used against Blacks. It is wrong and offensive, no matter who does it. I suspect part of the reaction involved resentment over this sort of thing.

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