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Child abduction victim found after 18 years in captivity

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:34 am
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

David wrote:
but he appears to be churlish toward EVERYONE.


What appears to you are not facts to everyone.

I don't remember Setanta being churlish toward me, even though it may change some day...


OK; I 'll take your word for it.
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:37 am
@Francis,
yes, it's interesting that david seems to doubt that a person could easily shape the mind of an 11 year old, after 18 years, but that cia torturers could break the will of people who'd been indoctrinated themselves in a few short years

those suicide bombers and islamic extremists are the same as this girl, they are constantly told from an early age what to believe to the exclusion of everything else and eventually they do
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:37 am

Earlier, when I wrote of awaiting an opportune moment
to attack one 's kidnapper, I did not intend to imply
that one shoud not resist to the fullest possible extent at the moment of the kidnapping itself.





David
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:38 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't know. I don't know what she was told or how she was treated.

I think it was Steven Staynor who was told that his parents didn't want him anymore and had sold him to the man who was actually his kidnapper.

I'm not 11 years old anymore and I cannot imagine how I would have reacted then. I would like to think I would have tried to escape but I can't say that for sure.

Because of Mo's rather unpredictable biological father there have been occassions where we have role played different ways that someone might try to get you into their car. "No matter what, don't get into the car, have your fight right then and there" has been my mantra.

Once someone gets you isolated, you're at their mercy. At that point, I'd do what I had to to survive.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:38 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Francis wrote:

David wrote:
but he appears to be churlish toward EVERYONE.


What appears to you are not facts to everyone.

I don't remember Setanta being churlish toward me, even though it may change some day...


OK; I 'll take your word for it.
the thing is setanta has typically been churlish in responding to meself, and yet I remain the epitome of sweetness and light in my responses to every single dick-head poster.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:41 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

yes, it's interesting that david seems to doubt
that a person could easily shape the mind of an 11 year old,
after 18 years, but that cia torturers could break the will of people
who'd been indoctrinated themselves in a few short years

those suicide bombers and islamic extremists are the same as this girl,
they are constantly told from an early age what to believe
to the exclusion of everything else and eventually they do
Yes; I doubt it, but I am not absolutely sure.
I only raised a question about it.

Almost for sure: it depends upon the individual 11 year old person.





David
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
true, everything depends on the individual, but i bet the resistor is the minority, after all advertising works because people are easily influenced, and advertising is a minor influence
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:49 am
@OmSigDAVID,
One man's "facts" are another's fiction.
Francis
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:56 am
David wrote:
U r satisfied to hurl personal insults.
If u can justify your defamations, then please do it.

I predict that u will not even try.


David, I do not hurl insults, it's your low level susceptibility that makes you assume such.

When I tell about your twisted logic, I can back my speech.

I'm going to give you an example:
- You are rightly proud of your Constitution.
You defend the Amendment that protects your right to bear arms.
However, there's another Amendment that stipulates that nobody should be discriminated in reason of his ethnic appartenance, social status, beliefs....

In your different posts, at five different occasions, you had arisen the question of my being French, belittling my nationality, explicitly or otherwise.

How can you talk about logic when you defend an Amendment and forget another ?

How can you claim this is defamation?

I would respect you if I see you desserve it, which, sadly, is not the case.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:58 am
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:

I don't know. I don't know what she was told or how she was treated.

I think it was Steven Staynor who was told that his parents didn't want him anymore and had sold him to the man who was actually his kidnapper.

I'm not 11 years old anymore and I cannot imagine how I would have reacted then. I would like to think I would have tried to escape but I can't say that for sure.

Because of Mo's rather unpredictable biological father there have been occassions where we have role played different ways that someone might try to get you into their car. "No matter what, don't get into the car,
have your fight right then and there" has been my mantra.

Once someone gets you isolated, you're at their mercy.
At that point, I'd do what I had to to survive.

That 's ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,
and its literally a matter of life and death, Boomer.

Thumbs up for u !
The police very strongly advise the same thing
that u said. That is a GOOD mantra!

Further on that issue,
the police have pointed out that even if a kidnapper has a gun,
if the victim runs away from the car,
the chances of getting an accurate hit are poor and decline
as the victim gets further away. Additionally, 80% of victims
of handgun wounds survive; however the survival rate is much worse for people who surrender and get into the car.

Never, never, NEVER get into the car.



David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:59 am
@dyslexia,

No one can match your sweetness, Dys.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 11:02 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

One man's "facts" are another's fiction.

That 's right. Its a matter of what he will believe.
When Columbus was trying to get transportation
to India, many people thought that the Earth was flat.





David
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 11:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
At least and luckily that was something Columbus knew - though he didn't really land in Japan, as he thought. Wink

(But actually, by 1400, only a few people thought that the earth was flat.)
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 11:27 am
@OmSigDAVID,
It's not simply a matter of belief. Sometimes it's a matter of knowledge. Sometimes it's about what we want/choose to believe.

There's a good-sized sample of A2kers with real-life Setanta experience. Their comments in regard to their experiences might not jive with what you believe/want to believe, but they reflect the reality.

I suspect (and hope) that the real-life OSDavid is different than the online OSDavid. From reading the character's postings, I believe that the online Aidan is a construct. I hope that the real-life Aidan has a less complicated tangle than the online one.

I choose to believe that most people have good intentions, and proceed that way unless/until I see evidence that suggests otherwise. It doesn't mean that I'm not grumpy/cranky/annoying/messing about on occasion. It just means that I generally find life (including online life) more pleasant starting with that premise - and that I recommend it.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 11:51 am
I recommend acquiring a few small dogs, and taking them for a walk at least once a day . . . as a means of relaxing and stepping back to get some perspective. Of course, having done that every day for years, i still entertain a low opinion of David's civility and sense of civic responsibility, and i remain skeptical of just about anything Aidan posts about him-/herself.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 12:36 pm
Jaycee Lee Dugard: daughters thought she was their sister

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Jaycee Lee Dugard's two daughters spent their lives thinking that she was their elder sister and have finally been told that she is in fact their mother.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 01:02 pm
I have long regarded setanta as one of the pillars upon which a2k stands. I don't have to agree with every single one of his utterences to so conclude, as he certainly does not always agree with mine. He usually puts substance behind his words, even in the midst of personal attacks and counter attacks with adversaries. Whereas, David rarely resorts to facts and logic to wade in. I do disagree with setanta about aidan. But that's two different perceptions, not enough to make me want to engage in the running struggle going on. I, like dys, am much too sweet.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 01:10 pm
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

David wrote:
U r satisfied to hurl personal insults.
If u can justify your defamations, then please do it.

I predict that u will not even try.


David, I do not hurl insults, it's your low level susceptibility that makes you assume such.

When I tell about your twisted logic, I can back my speech.

I'm going to give you an example:
- You are rightly proud of your Constitution.
You defend the Amendment that protects your right to bear arms.
However, there's another Amendment that stipulates that nobody should be discriminated
in reason of his ethnic appartenance, social status, beliefs....

In your different posts, at five different occasions, you had arisen the question of my being French,
belittling my nationality, explicitly or otherwise.

How can you talk about logic when you defend an Amendment and forget another ?

How can you claim this is defamation?

I would respect you if I see you desserve it, which, sadly, is not the case.
OK, Francis; I will address your concerns with explanations:
I understand what u mean about discrimination; however,
it does not apply to conversations as we are having here.

For the most part, the law means that nationality shoud not be considered
in employment, housing, education and a few other categories.
U have not applied to me for a job, nor have u asked me to lease u
an apartment nor a house, nor have u asked me to accept u as a student.

In America, we all know that we are perfectly free to discuss
the relative merits and shortcomings of different nationalities.
Hence, there is no law against beginning a thread about
the legendary thievery of Gypsies or how stingy are the Scotch
nor how outstandingly good is the food of the French.

We all have the constitutional right to freedom of speech. (First Amendment, Bill of Rights)
I did not violate the Constitution, nor did I violate any statute by discussing the French.

It is a fact that I have never suffered at the hand (nor at the mouth) of any Frenchman,
(and it is another fact that I was a big fan of Brigitte Bardot)
but I have heard many, too many, accounts from my countrymen
of their experiences in France wherein thay were intentionally
treated rudely by the French, who looked down upon them,
ofen implying that thay were barbarians. (This was not true in August 1944.)
Thay perceived hatred against them from the French and spoke of it
upon their return to America. Indeed, I thought that Charles de Gaulle
took spiteful pleasure in his arrogance against us for the rest of his life,
after the war. (Ike did not HAVE to let him lead the way in the liberation of Paris.)


I was kidding around with u, Francis, in my posts to u,
but I did have this state of affairs in the back of my mind,
of French anti-Americanism and French contempt of Americans.
THIS DOES NOT IMPLY that France must follow America 's lead on anything; we respect the sovereignty
and autonomy that we restored to France. In fairness: u have not personally
been so arrogant nor so insolent nor so hostile as some of your countrymen have been to Americans.

In any case:
Let the record indicate that u negatively criticised ME,
however many years ago, before I criticised u, in return.
By its nature, an attack is an invitation to counterattack.





David
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 01:16 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

Jaycee Lee Dugard: daughters thought she was their sister

Quote:
Jaycee Lee Dugard's two daughters spent their lives thinking that she was their elder sister and have finally been told that she is in fact their mother.


They must feel like their world has been turned upside down.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 01:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

At least and luckily that was something Columbus knew - though he didn't really land in Japan, as he thought. Wink

(But actually, by 1400, only a few people thought that the earth was flat.)
What was the proportion
of people who thought it was flat v. those who knew it was spherical ?
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