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Child abduction victim found after 18 years in captivity

 
 
aidan
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 11:07 am
@Francis,
Quote:
Careful Aidan, you are showing your true nature, and it's not pretty..

as you continue to show yours
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aidan
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 11:11 am
@dyslexia,

Quote:

Re: aidan (Post 3749069)
yeah maybe so, frankly I don't give a rat's ass re your credibility or davids theory of socially appropriate behavior. the universe is bigger than both of you, get over it.

I'd love to be able to say I don't give a rat's ass what you give a rat's ass about - but that would be a lie.
Maybe someday....
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 11:37 am
Aidan wrote:
Francis wrote:
Careful Aidan, you are showing your true nature, and it's not pretty..

as you continue to show yours


The rage we can see boil in your comments has no effect on me.

I'm not a vindicative person, and I bear no ill-will to anyone, not even you...
aidan
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 12:37 pm
@Francis,
Who's we? Rage? Is this another agreed upon consensus opinon of my character (by the mystery committee of several/three/whatever)?

Francis - I'm sitting here philosophically shaking my head. It doesn't matter what I say - you will read something else into it.

Please - as I asked you before. If you don't like me - leave me alone. Ever since I was told that you were 'on my trail, consistently and for a long time ' - frankly you speaking to me has been making me very uncomfortable.
I'm asking you to stop speaking to me. You are not my analyst or my friend and I have nothing more to say to you, and I do not want to listen to anything you may think about me or have to say to me.

Thank you very much.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 01:51 pm
@aidan,
Responding to Francis, aidan wrote:
Ever since I was told that you were 'on my trail, consistently and for a long time ' - frankly you speaking to me has been making me very uncomfortable.


Who do you think you're fooling? If you were truly the victim of a vicious stalker, I would have sympathy for you. But it is clear that you're simply a drama queen with an overly-inflated ego. You have relished every moment that the topic of this thread has been derailed while you have hogged page after page focusing on yourself. Get over yourself.
Francis
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 01:51 pm
David wrote:
Let me ask u, as a matter of earnest curiousity, Francis:


Earnestly, I don't believe for a second you're being earnest in your curiosity.

Your oratorical precautions reveal your ulterior motives.

You just want to prove the superiority of your views.




David wrote:
u subtly implied disapproval of my intention to have used lethal defensive force,
if I had been victim of an attempted kidnapping when I was 11, as Jaycee was.



I strongly disapprove the usage of arms at times of peace.

I'm not going to deploy the arguments against personal weapons, as you know them well but you'll be unable to acknowlege it.

It suffices to say that a kid that kills another human being, will probably carry all his life as many psychological problems as the one who has been abused.




David wrote:
( ". . . gun nuts . . ." etc.; "nuts" implies a dysfunctional mind.)


I does, indeed, David.

A solid introspection, backed by a fine analysis of the pros and cons, in the light what civilisations are called to become, should lead you to abandon such old warriors concepts as the the necessity to bear arms.


David wrote:
I am interested to know what u believe is the best response
by an 11 year old person with a healthy mind and a .38 revolver,
to such a predatory emergency; in other words,
if u had been in that situation, with your admirably healthy mind what do u believe that u woud have or that u shoud have done to defend yourself ?
How woud your defensive conduct have differed from mine,
if u then had the presence of mind to do it correctly, as u see it now ?


I really don't know, David.

Your hypothesis is by far unusual. I've not heard that a kid, armed with a revolver, killed, injured or even dissuade a potential kidnapper.

However,I could have been tempted, against the formal advice given by the authorities and the pedo-psychiatrists, to use the gun.

What would be then my fate if,(hypothetical situation) I killed a passing-by pregnant mother with a lost bullet.

However, your tongue-in-cheek comment about the admirability of my mind speaks volumes on how lightly you'll take my opinions.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:18 pm
All such arguments are predicated upon an unspoken assumption that the mere possession of a firearm will grant the possessor the ability to use the firearm effectively in a time of unforeseen stress. It's a pretty dubious assumption with regard to an adult--it's not even worth canvassing in the case of an 11-year-old.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:24 pm
@Setanta,
And they all fly in the face of the evidence that having a gun in the home actually makes one less safe.
Francis
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:35 pm
@DrewDad,
At least in France it does.

The number of family members, neighbors, dead or injured is alarming...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:43 pm
I wish aidan and david would start a thread of their own and let the original topic carry on. This is bullshit.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:44 pm
@edgarblythe,
well said, mr. ed...
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:48 pm
@edgarblythe,
the david and aidan appreciation society thread
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:48 pm
@Francis,
David wrote:
Let me ask u, as a matter of earnest curiousity, Francis:


Quote:
Earnestly, I don't believe for a second you're being earnest in your curiosity.
This is error; I am genuinely interested.

Quote:
Your oratorical precautions reveal your ulterior motives.

You just want to prove the superiority of your views.

I will make no effort to prove that
in this line of questioning on this thread.




David wrote:
u subtly implied disapproval of my intention to have used lethal defensive force,
if I had been victim of an attempted kidnapping when I was 11, as Jaycee was.

Quote:

I strongly disapprove the usage of arms at times of peace.
In your opinion, is an attempted kidnapping a time of peace? yes or no?

I'm not going to deploy the arguments against personal weapons,
as you know them well but you'll be unable to acknowlege it.
I ask only to know your thought processes,
not to discuss whether people shoud be armed;
I asked u "IF" u were possessed of a revolver;
e.g., if u found one lying in front of u.
I have a very long standing interest in the thought processes
of those people who disagree with me.



Quote:

It suffices to say that a kid that kills another human being,
will probably carry all his life as many psychological problems as the one who has been abused.
As to this possibility, we can agree.
I am aware of several instances of NY City Police within the last 30 years,
who have killed criminals in self-defense, in front of everyone,
who were extremely emotionally troubled by this defensive killing
and who (after psychiatric treatment) the police committed suicide.
I am not such a person.






David wrote:
( ". . . gun nuts . . ." etc.; "nuts" implies a dysfunctional mind.)


Quote:
I does, indeed, David.
A solid introspection, backed by a fine analysis of the pros and cons,
in the light what civilisations are called to become, should lead you to
abandon such old warriors concepts as the the necessity to bear arms.
As I indicated above, my purpose at this time is not
to challenge u, nor to convince u,
but only to ascertain how u reason.





David wrote:
I am interested to know what u believe is the best response
by an 11 year old person with a healthy mind and a .38 revolver,
to such a predatory emergency; in other words,
if u had been in that situation, with your admirably healthy mind
what do u believe that u woud have or that u shoud have done to defend yourself ?
How woud your defensive conduct have differed from mine,
if u then had the presence of mind to do it correctly, as u see it now ?


Quote:
I really don't know, David.

Your hypothesis is by far unusual. I've not heard that a kid, armed with a revolver, killed, injured or even dissuade a potential kidnapper.

However,I could have been tempted, against the formal advice given by the authorities and the pedo-psychiatrists, to use the gun.

What would be then my fate if,(hypothetical situation) I killed a passing-by pregnant mother with a lost bullet.

However, your tongue-in-cheek comment about the admirability of my mind speaks volumes on how lightly you'll take my opinions.
Thank u for taking the time to answer my questions, Francis.




David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:52 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

Responding to Francis, aidan wrote:
Ever since I was told that you were 'on my trail, consistently and for a long time ' - frankly you speaking to me has been making me very uncomfortable.


Quote:
Who do you think you're fooling? If you were truly the victim of a vicious stalker, I would have sympathy for you. But it is clear that you're simply a drama queen with an overly-inflated ego. You have relished every moment that the topic of this thread has been derailed while you have hogged page after page focusing on yourself. Get over yourself.

Debra, your analysis of the situation is terrible-- most unjust.
U blame the victim, who was subjected to unprovoked attack and besmirchment.
Shame on U!





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:54 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

And they all fly in the face of the evidence that having a gun in the home actually makes one less safe.
That 's NONSENSE.





David
Francis
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:54 pm
David wrote:
In your opinion, is an attempted kidnapping a time of peace? yes or no?


All times, except civil war and warfare between nations, are times of peace...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:56 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I wish aidan and david would start a thread of their own and let the original topic carry on. This is bullshit.
That woud make sense IF WE WERE PREVENTING EVERYONE FROM POSTING.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:57 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

the david and aidan appreciation society thread
Post whatever u want to POST.
I 'm not stopping u.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 02:59 pm
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

David wrote:
In your opinion, is an attempted kidnapping a time of peace? yes or no?


All times, except civil war and warfare between nations, are times of peace...
Thank u.





David
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 03:20 pm
In the news:

Quote:
Still, there have been encouraging signs the healing has begun. Dugard's reunion with her mother, Terry Probyn, has been "the happiest time of her life, and they are bonding," says Carl, who split with his wife amid the stress of his stepdaughter's kidnapping
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