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Child abduction victim found after 18 years in captivity

 
 
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 04:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
That woud make sense IF WE WERE PREVENTING EVERYONE FROM POSTING.


David, preventing people from posting isn't the only way to be disruptive in a thread. Enough volume of just about anything (even on topic posts) can be disruptive and is, in my opinion, something to be considerate about.
DrewDad
 
  6  
Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 05:24 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

And they all fly in the face of the evidence that having a gun in the home actually makes one less safe.
That 's NONSENSE.


http://www.guninformation.org/

Quote:
MYTH: Keeping guns in the home increases personal protection.

TRUTH: Obviously, self defense is not a good argument against gun control since those who own firearms are actually more likely to be victims of homicide. Two studies published in The New England Journal of Medicine revealed that keeping a gun in the home increases the risk of both suicide and homicide. Keeping a gun in the home makes it 2.7 times more likely that someone will be a victim of homicide in your home (in almost all cases the victim is either related to or intimately acquainted with the murderer) (source) and 4.8 times more likely that someone will commit suicide (source). Guns make it more likely that a suicide attempt will be successful than if other means were used such as sleeping pills.


http://www.bradycampaign.org/issues/gvstats/firearmoverview/

Quote:
Guns in the Home - A Greater Risk to Family and Friends

* For every time a gun is used in a home in a legally-justifiable shooting [note that not every self-defense is legally justifiable] there are 22 criminal, unintentional, and suicide-related shootings.16

* The presence of a gun in the home triples the risk of homicide in the home.17

* The presence of a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide fivefold.18
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 05:33 pm
@DrewDad,
http://www.sfbaypsr.org/work_gun1.html

Quote:
Multiple studies have shown, however, that rather than being protective, having a gun in the home greatly increases the chances of a household resident being shot and killed or injured.[36,37,38,39,40,41,42]

...

36. Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Rushforth NB, Banton JG, Reay DT, Francisco JT, et al. Gun ownership as a risk factor for homicide. N Engl J Med 1993;329:1084-1091.
37. Cummings P, Koepsell TD, Grossman DC, Savarino J, Thompson RS. The association between the purchase of a handgun and homicide or suicide. Am J Pub Health 1997;87:974-978.
38. Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, Reay DT, Francisco J, Banton JG, et al. Suicide in the home in relation to gun ownership. N Engl J Med 1992;327:467-472.
39. Kellerman AL, Reay DT. Protection or peril. An analysis of firearm-related deaths in the home. N Engl J Med 1986;314:1557-1560.
40. Rushforth NB, Hirsch CS, Ford AB, Adelson L. Accidental firearm fatalities in a metropolitan county (1958-1973). Am J Epidemiol 1975;100:499-505.
41. Shah S, Hoffman RE, Wake L, Marine WM. Adolescent suicide and household access to firearms in Colorado: results of a case-control study. J Adolesc Health 2000;26:157-163.
42. Kellerman AK, Somes G, Rivara FP, et al. Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home. J Trauma 1998;45:263-267.


You may now begin your rationalizations for why the data is inaccurate, or does not apply in your particular case.
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 05:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
will it be like field of dreams

if i start it will they come

the mind boggles

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 06:02 pm
@DrewDad,
A fact not lost on me, drewdad. I used to own guns but concluded the same thing.
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 07:06 pm
Quote:
In the interview published by The Register, Ms. Dugard recounted the moment she was reunited with Jaycee, who she said exclaimed “Auntie Tina!” when they saw each other.

“She remembered me right away,” Ms. Dugard is quoted as saying, adding that Jaycee and her children seemed to have “a sense of comfort and optimism, a sense of happiness.”

“People probably want to think that it’s been this horrible, scary thing for all of us,” Ms. Dugard told The Register. But, she said, “the horrible, scary thing happened 18 years ago.”

Now, her niece seems like “a 29-year-old woman,” Ms. Dugard said. “She’s fabulous and she’s beautiful.”

Jaycee Dugard and her children apparently had greater access to the outside world than initial reports indicated, Ms. Dugard said, adding that she had been impressed by the intellect of the children, who apparently are named Angel and Starlite. Both children can read and write, she said, despite having been forbidden to attend school.

“It’s clear they’ve been on the Internet and know a lot of things,” Ms. Dugard said. “It’s clear that Jaycee did a great job with the limited resources that she had and her limited education.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/04abduct.html?hp
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 02:35 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
In the interview published by The Register, Ms. Dugard recounted the moment she was reunited with Jaycee, who she said exclaimed “Auntie Tina!” when they saw each other.

“She remembered me right away,” Ms. Dugard is quoted as saying, adding that Jaycee and her children seemed to have “a sense of comfort and optimism, a sense of happiness.”

“People probably want to think that it’s been this horrible, scary thing for all of us,” Ms. Dugard told The Register. But, she said, “the horrible, scary thing happened 18 years ago.”

Now, her niece seems like “a 29-year-old woman,” Ms. Dugard said. “She’s fabulous and she’s beautiful.”

Jaycee Dugard and her children apparently had greater access to the outside world than initial reports indicated, Ms. Dugard said, adding that she had been impressed by the intellect of the children, who apparently are named Angel and Starlite. Both children can read and write, she said, despite having been forbidden to attend school.

“It’s clear they’ve been on the Internet and know a lot of things,” Ms. Dugard said. “It’s clear that Jaycee did a great job with the limited resources that she had and her limited education.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/04abduct.html?hp
In theory, she or thay, coud have been posting on A2K for years, without our knowledge of felony.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 02:39 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
That woud make sense IF WE WERE PREVENTING EVERYONE FROM POSTING.


David, preventing people from posting isn't the only way to be disruptive in a thread. Enough volume of just about anything (even on topic posts) can be disruptive and is, in my opinion, something to be considerate about.
U say that even on topic posts can be disruptive.
Will u explain how ?





David
Robert Gentel
 
  1  
Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 02:45 am
@OmSigDAVID,
By making too many of them and crowding out what others have to say.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 03:23 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

And they all fly in the face of the evidence that having a gun in the home actually makes one less safe.
That 's NONSENSE.


http://www.guninformation.org/

Quote:
MYTH: Keeping guns in the home increases personal protection.

TRUTH: Obviously, self defense is not a good argument against gun control since those who own firearms are actually more likely to be victims of homicide. Two studies published in The New England Journal of Medicine revealed that keeping a gun in the home increases the risk of both suicide and homicide. Keeping a gun in the home makes it 2.7 times more likely that someone will be a victim of homicide in your home (in almost all cases the victim is either related to or intimately acquainted with the murderer) (source) and 4.8 times more likely that someone will commit suicide (source). Guns make it more likely that a suicide attempt will be successful than if other means were used such as sleeping pills.


http://www.bradycampaign.org/issues/gvstats/firearmoverview/

Quote:
Guns in the Home - A Greater Risk to Family and Friends

* For every time a gun is used in a home in a legally-justifiable shooting [note that not every self-defense is legally justifiable] there are 22 criminal, unintentional, and suicide-related shootings.16

* The presence of a gun in the home triples the risk of homicide in the home.17

* The presence of a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide fivefold.18

DrewDad: there is so much to be said in furtherance of this debate that,
in justice we cannot do it on this thread, without hi jacking this thread
off of its topic. Robert Gentel has requested me to be thoughtful.
If u wish to discuss this topic of the wisdom of being armed in self defense,
then I propose that we begin a thread to do so,
thus to avoid objection.

I will start that thread in a few moments.
I have not discussed this topic much since June of 2008,
when the USSC gave me what I expected and desired.

If u choose not to discuss the topic on that thread,
then let it suffice for me to say that the sources that u cited
are not worthy of credence (Brady Campaign and some unidentified
fellow whose website is fraudulent). Its like proving that communism
and nazism are good and freedom is bad by citing to quotes from Joseph Stalin, Mao and Joseph Goebbels.

As to the very respectable New England Journal of Medicine,
there was a scandal there about junk science, charlatan techniques
having been applied for gathering of statistics, the objection
having been raised that if those bad techniques were accepted
without objection, then REAL statistics about diseases
woud be put in jeopardy if error is allowed to pollute their system.

Accordingly, in the fullness of sincerity, I reject your sources
as being permeated with lies, distortions, and hoaxes.

Arguing that u are safer from crime without defensive guns
is like arguing that when sailing u are less likely to drown
if u go without life preservers and if u make holes in the bottom of your boat.

I 'll now go and start the aforesaid thread.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 03:26 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

will it be like field of dreams

if i start it will they come

the mind boggles


I don 't know whether anyone is interested or not.
I don 't even know whether DrewDad himself will respond at all.

I have had relatively little to say about this since I got what I wanted
in the HELLER decision, but I am willing to discuss it
with anyone who is interested; either way.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 03:40 am
@DrewDad,

Permit me to clarify; I posted:

"As to the very respectable New England Journal of Medicine,
there was a scandal there about junk science, charlatan techniques
having been applied for gathering of statistics, the objection
having been raised that if those bad techniques were accepted
without objection, then REAL statistics about diseases
woud be put in jeopardy if error is allowed to pollute their system."

That refers to an article in the New England Journal of Medicine
that used the techniques of a charlatan as to constructing
misleading statistics concerning the wisdom of arming in self defense.

I don 't believe that I had been clear on that point.





David
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 07:21 am
@OmSigDAVID,
As I said; begin your rationalizations.

For me, the data is clear, and I strive to live my life honoring empirical evidence.
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Philis
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 12:14 am
New Attempted Abduction case
Maple Park, Tulsa, OK.
two homeless men approached, and one sat on each side of them, Hill said. The men then began talking about abducting and killing the 3-year-old, Hill reported.

These 2 strange men remind me of Henry Lee Lucas ( put to death @ huntsville prison, TX.) and Otis Toole (died in prison. Strong evidence Toole murdered Adam Walsh, son of John Walsh of AMW, {America's Most Wanted}) Their facial features are somehow strange.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/content/2010/crimesite/article.aspx?subjectid=450&articleid=20100714_11_A12_Ayearo934672&allcom=1#commentform
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