AL GORE SHUD TAKE BETTER CARE OF EMPLOYEES

David, you are an old fashioned and traditional gentleman.

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Yeah

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And now to start a fight...

First of all, WHY did Bill Clinton go?
He is a private citizen, he does NOT represent our govt at all.
His wife is SecState, and it was her job to get those women released, not his.
He seriously upstaged her by going to NK.

Second, WHY should they have been released?
Yes, I think that 12 years at hard labor was a bit excessive, but so what?
Those women violated NK borders, they illegally entered NK, and they got caught.
The NK "justice" system tried, convicted, and sentenced them.

Here in the US, we demand the right to do the same thing to those that get caught illegally crossing our borders, but we complain when NK does the same thing?

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@mysteryman,

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First of all, WHY did Bill Clinton go?

because he is one of the very few people that has such popularity around the world that not even the insane midget in NoKo would dare to try anything to him.

seemed like a logical choice to me.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

...Those women violated NK borders, they illegally entered NK, and they got caught...

ooopps. forgot this part; why would we take this single instance and believe what they say when we consider everything else out of pyongyang to be a lie?

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

And now to start a fight...

First of all, WHY did Bill Clinton go?
He is a private citizen, he does NOT represent our govt at all.
His wife is SecState, and it was her job to get those women released, not his.
He seriously upstaged her by going to NK.

Second, WHY should they have been released?
Yes, I think that 12 years at hard labor was a bit excessive, but so what?
Those women violated NK borders, they illegally entered NK, and they got caught.
The NK "justice" system tried, convicted, and sentenced them.

Here in the US, we demand the right to do the same thing to those that get caught illegally
crossing our borders, but we complain when NK does the same thing?

I thawt that Obama sent him.
Maybe his wife sent him.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Because it isnt Pyongyang saying it.
The two women themselves are.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/07/journalists.nkorea/index.html

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Lisa Ling said that before they left the United States, the pair never intended to cross into North Korea. They have acknowledged that they briefly did, however, and they were convicted of entering the country illegally to conduct a "smear campaign" against the reclusive Communist state.

So, my original statement stands.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Here in the US, we demand the right to do the same thing to those that get caught illegally crossing our borders

perhaps you do - not all Americans do.

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, but we complain when NK does the same thing?

Perhaps you don't. Perhaps some other people do.

Why Bill Clinton? because (among other things) it doesn't involve the U.S. government officially - and the government can't be held to anything he might have said or suggested.

or perhaps Roland Martin says it best
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/07/martin.bill.clinton.north.korea/

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So what do we learn at this teachable moment? We learn politicians and public policy advocates need to put aside the silliness we see every day and realize that people who might have their differences can come together on common purposes.

Who in the world thought that the Rev. Al Sharpton, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg could sit in the White House together and join hands on the issue of education? We need more partnerships like that. We need leaders who put the common good ahead of their own self-interest.

With all of the trouble spots in the world, and the enormous issues we face, it's not just about what President Obama, Secretary Clinton and others are doing. Folks, this is all hands on deck. Anybody and everybody can make a contribution to make this a better world. We just need the courage to ask.

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@ehBeth,

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perhaps you do - not all Americans do.

So not all Americans want our laws enforced, or they just dont want our borders enforced?

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Perhaps you don't. Perhaps some other people do.

So now you are saying that other people dont want to allow countries to enforce their own laws?

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Folks, this is all hands on deck. Anybody and everybody can make a contribution to make this a better world

So then, you agree that former President Bush can even be used to make the world better?
I thought he was the worst POTUS ever and a truly despicable Human being (at least according to the left)

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

So now you are saying that other people dont want to allow countries to enforce their own laws?

I realize you're just stirring the pot a bit, but this doesn't require a lengthy debate, does it? Think of all the horrific mandates or "laws" put forth by despotic regimes in history.

North Korea is certainly in the hands of a despotic regime. One of the more pleasant activities North Korean labor camp "guests" enjoy is kneeling for twelve hours straight, and taking a beating if their posture is even slightly less than perfect. Does a government enforcing that kind of punishment deserve to have its laws respected, particularly if said government is itself in violation of international laws against nuclear proliferation? And when the lives of two U.S. citizens are at stake, should we really take such care to honor the rules set forth by a group of assholes no one even elected?

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