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The Baseball Thread

 
 
panzade
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 02:19 pm
@Rockhead,
Very very sad news. One of my biggest thrills was seeing him hit a home run, a massive dinger in ol' Griffith Stadium

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Griffith_1960.jpg
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 02:21 pm
Bronx Bombers core players fading:

"Jorge Posada(notes) says his back got stiff and he needed a night off to clear his head.

What is most certainly unclear, however, is where he stands with the New York Yankees right now.

Posada asked to be taken out of the lineup Saturday against rival Boston after the slumping designated hitter was dropped to No. 9 in the batting order.

Hitting .165 this season, Posada was in the original lineup posted by manager Joe Girardi and said he understood why he was bumped to the bottom of the order for the first time in 12 years."
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 02:45 pm
@panzade,

if i remember correctly, posada more or less replaced girardi as their starting catcher way back when...
panzade
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 03:09 pm
@Region Philbis,
I didn't know that
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 12:20 pm
@Rockhead,

RIP, harmon...
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 01:47 pm
damn...

RIP Paul Splittorff

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-obit-splittorff


"Paul Splittorff, the big, blonde left-hander who became the winningest pitcher in Kansas City Royals history and a popular broadcaster for the team, died Wednesday of complications from skin cancer. He was 64."
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 03:35 pm
@Rockhead,

that's way too young...

R(we thought sun worshipping was good for us back then)P
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 05:21 pm
Posey’s injury stirs debate on baseball collisions...

(By ANTONIO GONZALEZ, AP Sports Writer)

SAN FRANCISCO (AP)—Ray Fosse watched the crushing blow to Giants star Buster Posey and wondered why after all these years there are still few rules to protect catchers at the plate.

If there’s anybody who knows about collisions, it’s Fosse.

He was at the center of one of the most iconic hits in baseball history, when Pete Rose barreled over him to score the winning run in the 1970 All-Star game. Fosse’s right shoulder was permanently rearranged, and while he briefly rebounded from the injury, it started a downward slide to a career that was ultimately cut short.
San Francisco Giants catcher Buster Posey (28) is carried off the field after a collision with Florida Marlins ' Scott Cousins during the 12th inning of a baseball game in San Francisco, Wednesday, May 25, 2011. Cousins scored the go-ahead run on the play as Florida won 7-6.

“After Rose hit me in ’70, I had two guys that blind-sided me, guys who hit me standing up,” said Fosse, who stopped short of asking baseball to rewrite the rule book. “There’s never anybody ejected for that.”

The clean but cringe-inducing crash between Posey and Florida’s Scott Cousins this week has still reignited the decades-old debate over plays at the plate.

Posey, the 2010 NL Rookie of the Year and one of the game’s brightest young stars, fractured a bone in his lower left leg and tore three ligaments in his ankle. His season is likely over.

In the past few years, the NFL has cracked down on violent hits and increased fines with an eye on player safety. The league also announced this week a policy of “club accountability” for teams whose players repeatedly are fined for flagrant hits.

Some in baseball are asking for similar action in the wake of Posey’s injury. Others argue home plate collisions are as much a part of baseball tradition as peanuts and Cracker Jacks and the seventh-inning stretch.

Giants manager Bruce Bochy, a former catcher who had multiple head injuries in his playing days, called on Major League Baseball to explore ideas to protect players.

“I think we do need to consider changing the rules here a little bit because the catcher is so vulnerable and there’s so many who have gotten hurt,” Bochy said. “And not just a little bit, had their careers ended or shortened.”

Even with advances in technology and improved gear, collisions at the plate still cause lasting injuries.

Angels catcher Bobby Wilson had a severe concussion and injured his left leg in a collision with Yankees slugger Mark Teixeira last year. It was Wilson’s first big league start behind the plate.

“The next thing I remembered was sitting in a wheelchair,” said Wilson, who missed 21 games while on the disabled list.

His manager, Mike Scioscia, caught more games than any player in Dodgers history and endured numerous collisions, including a couple of memorable ones with Jack Clark and Chili Davis. He believes there’s an unwritten code of ethics among players, depending on how much of the plate the catcher gives and the situation in the game.

“It’s just like breaking up a double play and what the guidelines are,” Scioscia said. “Running into a catcher, the catcher’s going to stay there and try to block the plate, which you have the right to if you’re fielding the ball. And the runner obviously has a right to dislodge it.”

Those lines can often be murky.

Cousins, for instance, scored the winning run in a crucial game against the defending World Series champions Wednesday night. He might have had room to slide and avoid hitting Posey, but that’s a split-second decision and almost impossible to discern in the moment.

The only collision Arizona manager and former World Series star Kirk Gibson had in his career came against Pat Borders on July 9, 1995. Gibson remembers the two almost collided at the plate the day before except Borders moved up and allowed him to slide in safely at the last second.

“He told me the next day he didn’t sleep because he chickened out,” Gibson said. “A day later we had the same play, he stood in there and I pounded him.”

The brunt of the blow doesn’t always fall on the catcher either.

After all, the runner is the one not wearing protective gear. And sliding instead of colliding offers no guarantees—Texas slugger Josh Hamilton(notes), last season’s AL MVP, broke his right arm April 12 on a headfirst slide into home at Detroit.

“What do you want them to do? Make guys wear tennis shoes? It’s a Major League Baseball game,” Red Sox manager Terry Francona said. “What do you want them to do? Sometimes guys break up double plays, sometimes you gotta try to score. Nobody wants to see anybody get hurt, but you got to play the game.”

Player safety is one area where Major League Baseball and the players’ association usually overwhelmingly agree. The new concussion disabled list and padding on the walls are two of the most recent actions both helped implement.

But there’s no concrete answer on what can be done to prevent major injuries at the plate. A message left with a league spokesman seeking comment was not immediately returned.

Many high schools and some college divisions have outlined rules for calls on the bases, including home. The most common are giving the umpire the discretion to decide if the runner could avoid a collision with a clear path or if the runner had any intent to reach the base—similar to those for breaking up a double-play in the big leagues.

Those subjective calls could be more difficult in the majors.

Players are faster, stronger and dozens of slow-motion camera angles dissecting each play might only increase debate. In the NBA, the charge-block call is one of the toughest for referees and the most controversial among fans, but the play happens at least a half-dozen times a game with athletes such as LeBron James and Dwyane Wade who are even faster.

Most big leaguers chuckle at the idea of such a rule in baseball.

Red Sox catcher Jason Varitek is considered among the best at blocking the plate. He agrees collisions should remain in the baseball rules, even it that puts him in harm’s way.

“Catching, you’re usually not on the winning end of those. Period,” Varitek said. “Some things are part of the game. But even the people who are playing hard and are in those collisions don’t want to see anybody get hurt. Some things are part of the game. There’s not a whole lot you can do.”



(from yahoo)
AP Sports Writers Larry Lage in Detroit, Pat Graham in Denver and Beth Harris in Anaheim, Calif., contributed to this story.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 07:13 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

“Catching, you’re usually not on the winning end of those. Period,” Varitek said. “Some things are part of the game. But even the people who are playing hard and are in those collisions don’t want to see anybody get hurt. Some things are part of the game. There’s not a whole lot you can do.”


Interesting, RH. I don't pretend to know anything about baseball. My perception of catchers is that they tend to resemble fire hydrants preventing runners from touching home plate.
I have not seen the incident that caused you to post the article but, unless there was a needless blindsiding of a catcher, I can't understand the issue.
But what do I know?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 07:23 pm
@realjohnboy,
can't find a video, but here is the heart of the debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSJg3yMjQCA

it was a clean play...
mismi
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:04 pm
@Rockhead,
My 8 year old is playing catcher right now. It's tough. Love to watch him though. That's my baby. He is amazing.

Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:13 pm
@mismi,
I played mostly catcher till I stopped playing.

got old pains from it.

wouldn't have wanted to play anywhere else...

I miss the collisions. but not the aftermath of them.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 10:42 pm
I hope one of you savvy fantasy guys grabbed Hosner from the royals.

they just hung a 5 spot on texas in the fourteenth inning.

he's 4 for 7 with a homer and 4 rbi...
panzade
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 09:03 am
Devil Ray star makes one handed grab



"I know this is real, I'm a friend of the baseball"
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 10:35 pm
a wild night tonight for the brew crew.

a walk-off suicide squeeze play, and a kinda sorta inside the park home run....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=310528108
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 12:23 am
@Rockhead,
Hosmer?

We are a 10 team league this year. He remains unowned.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 09:40 am

pretty dang good pitching duel in the angels-twins game last night --

jered weaver: 9 innings, 2 hits 0 runs 2 walks 7 K's
anthony swarzak: 8 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 2 walks 4 K's
(box)
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 03:09 pm
@Region Philbis,
angels are throwing gopher balls for the Royals today...

Hosner is 2 for 2 with a homer a double and 4 rbi.

but whatta I know about fantasy baseball, anyways...?
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2011 08:44 am
Quote:
Sources: MLB, players talk realignment
A simple form of realignment being seriously considered has been raised in the labor talks between Major League Baseball
and the players' association, according to four sources: two leagues of 15 teams, rather than the current structure of
16 teams in the National League and 14 in the American League.

According to a highly ranked executive, one consideration that has been raised in ownership committee meetings is
eliminating the divisions altogether, so that 15 AL and 15 NL teams would vie for five playoff spots within each league.
Currently, Major League Baseball has six divisions.

A source who has been briefed on the specifics of the labor discussions says that the players' union has indicated that it is
open to the idea of two 15-team leagues, but that the whole plan still hasn't been talked through or presented to the owners.

Sources say the talks are serious, and while one executive believes the odds of change are less than 50-50,
another says this is the type of discussion that can gather momentum and become a reality.

A sticking point involves interleague play. Because of the odd number of teams in each league, it is possible
that a team in contention late in the season will have to be playing its final games in interleague play.

One of the biggest issues that would have to be resolved in any realignment resulting in two 15-team leagues is
which of the National League teams would switch to the American League.
(espn)

liking this idea.
get the best 10 teams in the playoffs -- no more rewarding a team that plays in a weak division.

to balance it out, am thinking it makes the most sense to return the brewers to the AL, where they existed until 1994...
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2011 09:54 am
@Region Philbis,
This possible new rearrangement will take some digesting.

I wonder if this will be the end of interleague play.
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