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Englands Nazi King?

 
 
Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 06:54 am
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/113232

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In December 1940, as war raged in Europe and Britain battled Hitler in lonely isolation, ­American journalist Fulton Oursler received an unexpected summons to the Bahamas. He had been invited to conduct a rare interview with the islands’ governor, the former King Edward VIII, ­officially known since his abdication four years earlier as His Royal Highness the Duke of Windsor.


As an officer in the British Army as well as a dignitary of the British Empire and brother of King George VI, the Duke might have been expected to fly the flag for his embattled ­country. Instead he gave Oursler a eulogy to Hitler. The former British monarch told the journalist it would be tragic for the world if the Nazi ­dictator were overthrown. Hitler was not just the right and logical leader of the German people, the Duke insisted, he was also a great man.


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Fortunately Roosevelt would have no truck with the Duke’s treacherous scheme. He had already placed Edward and his American-born wife, the former Wallis Simpson, under FBI surveillance when they paid a visit to Miami. Newly declassified FBI papers revealed in a documentary this week on Channel Five show the Americans’ scathing assessment of the royal figure who had once been the glam­orous darling of the British Empire.

“The British government were anxious to get rid of the Duke of Windsor, first and foremost because of his fondness for Nazi ideology,” the 227-page report concludes. “The Duchess’s political views are deemed so obnoxious to the British government that they refused to permit Edward to marry her and maintain the throne.”


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The FBI files show that at a party in Vienna in June 1937 " the month he married Mrs Simpson " the loose-tongued Duke told an Italian ­diplomat that the Americans had cracked Italy’s intelligence codes.Four months later the Duke and Duchess paid a high-profile visit to Germany where the Nazi regime fawned on him. They met Hitler, who saw the value of ­cultivating an ally once so intimately involved with British affairs. Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels wrote of the Duke: “It’s a shame he is no longer king. With him we would have entered into an alliance.”

Even the declaration of war was not enough to make the Duke sever his Nazi connections. He was made a major-general and stationed in France but he continued to ­communicate with the enemy. In January 1940 the German minister in The Hague wrote that he had established a direct line of contact to the Duke.

This line of contact proved crucial to the tragic fate of France. From the Duke the Germans learned that their plans for the invasion of France had fallen into Allied hands. This intelligence allowed Hitler to change his plans and catch the Allies by surprise. France fell.

The FBI papers also reveal that the Duchess of Windsor was in ­regular contact with the Nazi foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, whom the Americans suspected of being her former lover. After the fall of Paris she and the Duke hopped from Biarritz to Madrid to Lisbon, shamelessly consorting with wealthy fascist sympathisers.

In Portugal Edward committed what may have been the worst act of his shabby career. In July 1940 the German ambassador in Lisbon passed a message to Berlin saying: “The Duke believes with certainty that continued heavy bombing would make England ready for peace.”

The former king was urging the bombardment of his own people.


This man should have been shot for treason, along with his wife.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:03 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

This man should have been shot for treason, along with his wife.


If everyone would have been shot who had close contact with the NAZIs, the world would be different today.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
True.

I didnt post the entire article, but if some of the accusations made are true, Edward was a traitor to England, and so was his wife.
dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:08 am
perhaps his American divorcee wife influenced his thinking
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sullyfish6
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:08 am
The Duke and Wallis were alcoholics and hanger-oners who went anywhere where the bill was going to be paid. Kind of like some of the has been celebrities in Hollywood.



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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:11 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

True.

I didnt post the entire article, but if some of the accusations made are true, Edward was a traitor to England, and so was his wife.


Actually, the best would be to see the film and not just what is reported before it is aired, I think.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
probably, but it most likely wont be shown here in the US.
So, I am relying on what is written.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:29 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

probably, but it most likely wont be shown here in the US.
So, I am relying on what is written.


Yes. So we'll actually have to wait until the program is aired and more is out than Channel 4's press release.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:40 am
@mysteryman,
I didnt post the entire article, but if some of the accusations made are true, Edward was a traitor to England, and so was his wife.
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This is nothing new and your statement "if true" go to the heart of the problem.

Making claims about a long dead public figures is a game that many had play but as far as I am aware of there is no proof one way or another concerning the good ex-king.

There is some indication that the English government did had some concerns in this regards if memory serve me correctly but I had not seen any real proof that he was a Nazis supporter.

contrex
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 09:03 am
@BillRM,
He went to Goering's wedding, and in October 1937, the Duke and Duchess visited Nazi Germany, against the advice of the British government, and met Adolf Hitler at his Obersalzberg retreat. The visit was much publicised by the German media. During the visit the Duke gave full Nazi salutes.

And I quote from a 1996 report:

Quote:
Wallis Simpson, the woman for whom Edward VIII abdicated, conducted secret negotiations with the Nazis in order to have herself installed as Queen of England "at any price", according to secret government papers released yesterday.

The Public Record Office documents confirm for the first time what historians have long suspected - that Edward, the Duke of Windsor, was a firm Nazi sympathiser and his American wife was a malign influence.

A memorandum released by the Foreign Office, 60 years after the abdication, provides the most startling evidence yet of the Windsors' willingness to collaborate with Hitler.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/britains-wouldbe-nazi-queen-1312830.html

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 09:19 am
@contrex,
On the same day, the Independent published this srory, too:
Duke who just could not be beastly to the Nazis
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The 1945 Labour government desperately tried to conceal evidence of the Duke of Windsor's ambivalent attitude towards Germany during the early part of the Second World War, according to official papers released yesterday.

A top-secret file from the private papers of Ernest Bevin, Foreign Secretary, which had been ordered to remain closed for a century, was opened at the Public Record Office in Kew.

German diplomatic papers found at Schloss Marburg by the American occupiers in May 1945 had showed up the Duke's ambivalent attitudes to a continuation of the war - sympathies which had encouraged the SS to launch "Operation Willi", with a view to luring him on to Spanish territory, where he would have been kidnapped. Other private papers relating to the Duke's peace- feelers are believed to have been smuggled from the home of the Royal Family's German cousins at Schloss Coburg by the spy Anthony Blunt. (They may surface after the century set for release of the abdication papers.)

A dramatic personal testament to the Duke's indiscretions was revealed yesterday in a minute sent to the Foreign Office via the Lisbon embassy in April 1943. A Count Nava de Tajo, described as "an agreeable young Spaniard" who was formerly an employee of the League of Nations, had told an embassy official that the Duke had "expected the British Cabinet to resign in the near future and expected to see the creation of a Labour government which would enter into negotiations with Germany. He expected also that King George VI would abdicate, following a virtual revolution brought about by the fact that the ruling classes had utterly disgraced themselves and that he, the Duke of Windsor, would be summoned to return to England to occupy the throne."

De Tajo continued: "HRH also spoke of how England would become the leader of a coalition consisting of France, Spain and Portugal while Germany would be free to march against Russia."

The report went on: "HRH said at dinner, I was got rid of by the Tories, and expressed himself with some force about the present Queen of England [the Queen Mother] whom he termed `an ambitious woman'."
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 11:01 am
@contrex,
OK and were there not normal if stress relationships with the German government in that time period?

A full Nazi salute was that on film or just someone claimed?

There is bad judgment and then there is giving aid and comfort to a declare enemy and they are not the same thing.

President Kennedy father also showed poor judgment of a similar kind during that period of time along with Lindbergh that however did not turn either of them into traitors at least in my opinion.
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Peter Dow
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 02:32 pm
How Queen Elizabeth got married to the Nazis
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8696/howqueenelizabethgotmar.jpg

Wikipedia: Prince Christoph of Hesse

Wikipedia: Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom. Marriage

American Almanac: The Nazi Roots of the House of Windsor

Aftermath News: The Nazi relative that the Royals disowned

The Daily Express: PRINCE PHILIP AND THE NAZIS

The Royals and the Reich. The Princes von Hessen in Nazi Germany by Jonathan Petropoulos

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2857/royalnazibooks600.jpg

Jonathan Petropoulos, in his book "Royals and the Reich" reviews the case that the Duke of Windsor was a traitor and an agent for Nazi Germany which was made by Martin Allen in his book "Hidden Agenda. How the Duke of Windsor Betrayed the Allies".

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Author Martin Allen goes much further than this, arguing in his controversial book, Hidden Agenda, that the duke spied for Hitler, especially in the critical phase in late-1939 and early-1940 prior to the Battle of France.

According to Allen, the duke made inspection tours of the French army's front line positions, including the Maginot line, and provided reports of troop deployments not only to the British (French-British co-operation not being what it should have been), but also to the Germans.

The link between the duke and the Nazis, according to Allen, was wealthy American industrialist Charles Bedaux (sometimes spelled Bedault), who was a close friend of the Windsors. Bedaux had loaned them his home, chateau Cande in France, for their wedding in June 1937, and he was almost certainly a Nazi intelligence asset; he knew Goring personally and had many German business contacts.

Martin Allen goes so far as to argue that the Duke of Windsor provided Bedaux with the crucial information about the French deployment, that this information, when passed on, induced Hitler to take the bold move and invade France through the poorly defended Ardennes forest, and that this is the primary explanation for the stunning Nazi victory in May-June 1940.

It is a devastating indictment: the Duke of Windsor was not only a traitor but the main reason for the German victory in the West and all that came with it (occupation, the Battle of Britain, and the persecution of Jews in these regions, among other developments).


From the For Freedom Forums
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Daft to invite traitor Prince Charles to D-Day event.

BBC: Obama wants Queen at D-Day event

The White House spokesman the other day was all in favour of the French inviting Queen Elizabeth to Normandy for the 65th anniversary commemoration of the D-Day Normandy invasion to liberate Europe and to defeat the Nazis.

It is daft for the US to want the Queen invited, to anything! Stupid!

Obama is going to this D-day event on the coast of France. Sarkozy's going. Brown is going. Apparently there has been some mix up leading to no timely invite for the Queen. Good! Razz She should be banned from attending - as should all members of the UK royal family.

The Queen should not be invited.

Americans have got monarchy to blame for the Al Qaeda 9/11 attacks provoked, encouraged or otherwise caused by monarchs and dictators in "Muslim" countries.

The Queen's Uncle Edward, the Duke of Windsor and ex-King was a Nazi sympathiser who is thought to have spied and leaked to the Nazis the deployments of the French forces which enabled the Wehrmacht to penetrate the Maginot line through the Ardennes and led ultimately to the fall of France.

Queen Elizabeth's husband Philip - his sister married a Nazi SS Colonel.

The monarchy is the enemy - they hate democracy and republics which have no need of royalty and the royals love and support what the Nazis did to their German republican critics - exterminate them as they would exterminate us if they could.

So wake up America!

Stop inviting the Queen to things! The worst was when Bush invited the Queen to the White House!

The Queen's predecessors as monarchs allowed the sabotaging of the British army to the point where we could not even easily defend our nearest and best ally France.

All the deaths of WW2 have to be blamed on the UK monarchy for allowing a British world power built not on monarchy but on the genius of the industrial revolution to fall into disrepair and disorganisation and ending up as a runt hapless army that got kicked out of Europe at Dunkirk.

The industrial revolution should have been followed by a republican revolution so the British military would have become a republican force for democracy world-wide as the US military is today.

To keep Britain as a Kingdom was to sabotage the British army long term, so even admitting that the Queen changed the wheels on a few army trucks in World War 2, the whole army was and is today still weakened by monarchy.

So that makes the Queen and her family traitors.

If the royals want to help the British military today then they should go into exile.

Well it looks like instead of the traitor Queen Elizabeth, her traitor son, the Traitor Prince Charles will be allowed to attend the D-day event - just as bad, just as stupid.

BBC: Charles invited to D-Day events




Peter Dow's Scottish National Standard Bearer site -
Attention Americans! Who are your true friends? Not the Windsors!




48 Members of the Scottish Parliament defy Queen's summons.

The Scotsman: Snub for Queen as 48 MSPs miss her speech.

From Scottish Republican News -

The fanfare which heralded the Queen's entrance to the Scottish Parliament rang hollow as 48 Members of the Scottish Parliament stayed away. 1st July 2009.

The 10th anniversary of the Scottish Parliament reconvening in 1999 was marked by an event at Holyrood to which Queen Elizabeth was invited and more importantly for the cause of the democratic right of the Scottish people to elect our own head of state, there appears to have been a partly organised, partly spontaneous boycott, snub or mass stay-away by 48 Members of the Scottish Parliament in total being absent from the occasion of the Queen's address to parliament on 1st July 2009.

48 out of the 129 MSPS, 37% of MSPs - which under some republican constitutions would be enough to defend an elected president in office where a 2/3 majority of parliament was required under the constitution to remove an impeached president - did not attend on the Queen to attempt to surrender the sovereignty of the Scottish nation to Queen Elizabeth, did not sit there as traitors while the rights of the people of Scotland were defied by Elizabeth Windsor, imposed on us Scots as head of state.

So it was an encouraging day for Scottish republicans and to mark the event, I have called the Scottish Republican Roll of Honour 2009.

I require further information to complete the roll in detail which I intend to write to MSPs to seek - in particular, which members who did not attend are republicans, and which are not.

Christine Grahame M.S.P. wrote:

http://scot.extroverthost.com/MSPs2009/christine_grahame.jpg
I'm a republican, plain and simple as that. I had no intention of being there and I made my position clear before the event. I don't want to be seen as a hypocrite because I don't believe in the aristocracy running our country.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 02:56 pm
@Peter Dow,
Oh lord the UK had more nuts then we do here in the US and without the internet who would had guess that information?

God save the Queen!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 03:11 pm
@BillRM,
heh, heh! You talk about the most prominent Scottish republican socialist who just joined A2K to post the above ...
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 03:59 pm
@mysteryman,
Been known about for a long time now.

Probably hard to kill him now he's dead for so long.

he and Wallis were a piece of work.
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saab
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2009 12:46 pm
Queen Elisabeth, who was not invited to the D-day celebrations was actually the only one of the head of states who was on active duty during WWII.
Read some place Sarkozy really did not want her there as he would play second role and get less pictures taken together with Obama
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2009 12:53 pm
@saab,
And you obviously believe all the stuff you read some place.

I had the occasion to explain the reasons she was not at the celebrations.

It was a diplomatic protocol problem and it was up to M. Gordon Brown to solve it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2009 01:08 pm
@saab,
I've the very same opinion (and the facts about it give no other clue).

But how, saab, do you see this related to Elisabeth's uncle?
contrex
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2009 02:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It's Elizabeth with a zed!
http://goldprice.org/buy-silver/uploaded_images/british-silver-coin-768415.jpg
 

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