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Englands Nazi King?

 
 
Sun 12 Jul, 2009 06:54 am
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/113232

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In December 1940, as war raged in Europe and Britain battled Hitler in lonely isolation, ­American journalist Fulton Oursler received an unexpected summons to the Bahamas. He had been invited to conduct a rare interview with the islands’ governor, the former King Edward VIII, ­officially known since his abdication four years earlier as His Royal Highness the Duke of Windsor.


As an officer in the British Army as well as a dignitary of the British Empire and brother of King George VI, the Duke might have been expected to fly the flag for his embattled ­country. Instead he gave Oursler a eulogy to Hitler. The former British monarch told the journalist it would be tragic for the world if the Nazi ­dictator were overthrown. Hitler was not just the right and logical leader of the German people, the Duke insisted, he was also a great man.


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Fortunately Roosevelt would have no truck with the Duke’s treacherous scheme. He had already placed Edward and his American-born wife, the former Wallis Simpson, under FBI surveillance when they paid a visit to Miami. Newly declassified FBI papers revealed in a documentary this week on Channel Five show the Americans’ scathing assessment of the royal figure who had once been the glam­orous darling of the British Empire.

“The British government were anxious to get rid of the Duke of Windsor, first and foremost because of his fondness for Nazi ideology,” the 227-page report concludes. “The Duchess’s political views are deemed so obnoxious to the British government that they refused to permit Edward to marry her and maintain the throne.”


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The FBI files show that at a party in Vienna in June 1937 " the month he married Mrs Simpson " the loose-tongued Duke told an Italian ­diplomat that the Americans had cracked Italy’s intelligence codes.Four months later the Duke and Duchess paid a high-profile visit to Germany where the Nazi regime fawned on him. They met Hitler, who saw the value of ­cultivating an ally once so intimately involved with British affairs. Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels wrote of the Duke: “It’s a shame he is no longer king. With him we would have entered into an alliance.”

Even the declaration of war was not enough to make the Duke sever his Nazi connections. He was made a major-general and stationed in France but he continued to ­communicate with the enemy. In January 1940 the German minister in The Hague wrote that he had established a direct line of contact to the Duke.

This line of contact proved crucial to the tragic fate of France. From the Duke the Germans learned that their plans for the invasion of France had fallen into Allied hands. This intelligence allowed Hitler to change his plans and catch the Allies by surprise. France fell.

The FBI papers also reveal that the Duchess of Windsor was in ­regular contact with the Nazi foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, whom the Americans suspected of being her former lover. After the fall of Paris she and the Duke hopped from Biarritz to Madrid to Lisbon, shamelessly consorting with wealthy fascist sympathisers.

In Portugal Edward committed what may have been the worst act of his shabby career. In July 1940 the German ambassador in Lisbon passed a message to Berlin saying: “The Duke believes with certainty that continued heavy bombing would make England ready for peace.”

The former king was urging the bombardment of his own people.


This man should have been shot for treason, along with his wife.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:03 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

This man should have been shot for treason, along with his wife.


If everyone would have been shot who had close contact with the NAZIs, the world would be different today.
mysteryman
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
True.

I didnt post the entire article, but if some of the accusations made are true, Edward was a traitor to England, and so was his wife.
dadpad
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:08 am
perhaps his American divorcee wife influenced his thinking
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sullyfish6
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:08 am
The Duke and Wallis were alcoholics and hanger-oners who went anywhere where the bill was going to be paid. Kind of like some of the has been celebrities in Hollywood.



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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:11 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

True.

I didnt post the entire article, but if some of the accusations made are true, Edward was a traitor to England, and so was his wife.


Actually, the best would be to see the film and not just what is reported before it is aired, I think.
mysteryman
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
probably, but it most likely wont be shown here in the US.
So, I am relying on what is written.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:29 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

probably, but it most likely wont be shown here in the US.
So, I am relying on what is written.


Yes. So we'll actually have to wait until the program is aired and more is out than Channel 4's press release.
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BillRM
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 07:40 am
@mysteryman,
I didnt post the entire article, but if some of the accusations made are true, Edward was a traitor to England, and so was his wife.
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This is nothing new and your statement "if true" go to the heart of the problem.

Making claims about a long dead public figures is a game that many had play but as far as I am aware of there is no proof one way or another concerning the good ex-king.

There is some indication that the English government did had some concerns in this regards if memory serve me correctly but I had not seen any real proof that he was a Nazis supporter.

contrex
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 09:03 am
@BillRM,
He went to Goering's wedding, and in October 1937, the Duke and Duchess visited Nazi Germany, against the advice of the British government, and met Adolf Hitler at his Obersalzberg retreat. The visit was much publicised by the German media. During the visit the Duke gave full Nazi salutes.

And I quote from a 1996 report:

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Wallis Simpson, the woman for whom Edward VIII abdicated, conducted secret negotiations with the Nazis in order to have herself installed as Queen of England "at any price", according to secret government papers released yesterday.

The Public Record Office documents confirm for the first time what historians have long suspected - that Edward, the Duke of Windsor, was a firm Nazi sympathiser and his American wife was a malign influence.

A memorandum released by the Foreign Office, 60 years after the abdication, provides the most startling evidence yet of the Windsors' willingness to collaborate with Hitler.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/britains-wouldbe-nazi-queen-1312830.html

Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 09:19 am
@contrex,
On the same day, the Independent published this srory, too:
Duke who just could not be beastly to the Nazis
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The 1945 Labour government desperately tried to conceal evidence of the Duke of Windsor's ambivalent attitude towards Germany during the early part of the Second World War, according to official papers released yesterday.

A top-secret file from the private papers of Ernest Bevin, Foreign Secretary, which had been ordered to remain closed for a century, was opened at the Public Record Office in Kew.

German diplomatic papers found at Schloss Marburg by the American occupiers in May 1945 had showed up the Duke's ambivalent attitudes to a continuation of the war - sympathies which had encouraged the SS to launch "Operation Willi", with a view to luring him on to Spanish territory, where he would have been kidnapped. Other private papers relating to the Duke's peace- feelers are believed to have been smuggled from the home of the Royal Family's German cousins at Schloss Coburg by the spy Anthony Blunt. (They may surface after the century set for release of the abdication papers.)

A dramatic personal testament to the Duke's indiscretions was revealed yesterday in a minute sent to the Foreign Office via the Lisbon embassy in April 1943. A Count Nava de Tajo, described as "an agreeable young Spaniard" who was formerly an employee of the League of Nations, had told an embassy official that the Duke had "expected the British Cabinet to resign in the near future and expected to see the creation of a Labour government which would enter into negotiations with Germany. He expected also that King George VI would abdicate, following a virtual revolution brought about by the fact that the ruling classes had utterly disgraced themselves and that he, the Duke of Windsor, would be summoned to return to England to occupy the throne."

De Tajo continued: "HRH also spoke of how England would become the leader of a coalition consisting of France, Spain and Portugal while Germany would be free to march against Russia."

The report went on: "HRH said at dinner, I was got rid of by the Tories, and expressed himself with some force about the present Queen of England [the Queen Mother] whom he termed `an ambitious woman'."
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BillRM
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 11:01 am
@contrex,
OK and were there not normal if stress relationships with the German government in that time period?

A full Nazi salute was that on film or just someone claimed?

There is bad judgment and then there is giving aid and comfort to a declare enemy and they are not the same thing.

President Kennedy father also showed poor judgment of a similar kind during that period of time along with Lindbergh that however did not turn either of them into traitors at least in my opinion.
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BillRM
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 02:56 pm
Oh lord the UK had more nuts then we do here in the US and without the internet who would had guess that information?

God save the Queen!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 03:11 pm
@BillRM,
heh, heh! You talk about the most prominent Scottish republican socialist who just joined A2K to post the above ...
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dlowan
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2009 03:59 pm
@mysteryman,
Been known about for a long time now.

Probably hard to kill him now he's dead for so long.

he and Wallis were a piece of work.
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saab
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2009 12:46 pm
Queen Elisabeth, who was not invited to the D-day celebrations was actually the only one of the head of states who was on active duty during WWII.
Read some place Sarkozy really did not want her there as he would play second role and get less pictures taken together with Obama
Francis
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2009 12:53 pm
@saab,
And you obviously believe all the stuff you read some place.

I had the occasion to explain the reasons she was not at the celebrations.

It was a diplomatic protocol problem and it was up to M. Gordon Brown to solve it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2009 01:08 pm
@saab,
I've the very same opinion (and the facts about it give no other clue).

But how, saab, do you see this related to Elisabeth's uncle?
contrex
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2009 02:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It's Elizabeth with a zed!
http://goldprice.org/buy-silver/uploaded_images/british-silver-coin-768415.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2009 02:07 pm
@contrex,
But I wrote it in Saxe-Coburg-Gothanian Wink
 

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