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Could this happen, or should it happen?

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:22 pm
@ossobuco,
Interest groups oft survive by monetary ploying. I don't think of them, some of which I might naturally like, as all somehow innocent. But government by buying is no prize.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:41 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Interest groups oft survive by monetary ploying.
I don't think of them, some of which I might naturally like,
as all somehow innocent. But government by buying is no prize.

Is ANYONE 100% innocent ??
Government is not run for the benefit of saints n angels;
its for the citizens. $$ is the life blood of anything n everything
that goes on; I d be hard pressed to think of any exceptions,
other than tiny little individual operations.

Politics exists on a competitive basis.
The wise voter will actively desire his special interest groups
to do what is necessary to be successful.



As voters, it behooves us to be realists.
As citizens, it behooves us to be realists.






David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:49 pm

I might add that I 've known lobbyists to complain
of extortion at the hands of politicians.
For instance, the practice of their applying for an appointment
for a conference with politician, which is answered with
an appointment at a designated restaurant,
at which the politician is accompanied by large numbers
of his family n friends, expecting the lobbist to pay for everyone.

I 've known citizens participating in the gun freedom self defense lobby to complain of that.





David
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:51 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

That's a good point, and I'd add that often there are some things that are obviously right but politically risky that tend to only happen in second terms (e.g. pressuring Israel for peace).

Well, Jimmy Carter pressured Israel for peace and he never even had a second term, so history doesn't really support that theory. The fact is that presidents take very few risks even if they're term-limited and in their final terms. Most of the riskiest behavior, in fact, takes place in presidents' first terms. Presidents lose a significant amount of authority in their second terms, as they are viewed as lame ducks almost as soon as they're re-elected. A president is much more likely to get his programs passed in his first term, while he still has people who are invested in his political future. For example, compare GWBush's Medicare prescription drug bill in his first term with his abortive attempt to reform Social Security in his second.

So, if you want to encourage presidents to take chances, then the obvious solution is to limit them to one term in office, not two.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
perhaps if the lobbyists in that position would tell the politicians to go F themselves, and the politicians in that position would tell the lobbyists to go F themselves, the world would be a better place
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 07:11 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

perhaps if the lobbyists in that position would tell the politicians to go F themselves,
and the politicians in that position would tell the lobbyists to go F themselves, the world would be a better place

THEN, we 'd lose all control,
and even any influence over the damned government
and it 'd run wild, just doing whatever the hell the politicians damn well please.

Democracy woud be ended, replaced by an oligarchy.





David
dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 06:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Democracy woud be ended, replaced by an oligarchy.
You're a little late in the telling david, the usa has been an oligarchy for quite a few years now.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 08:47 am
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

Quote:
Democracy woud be ended, replaced by an oligarchy.
You're a little late in the telling david, the usa has been an oligarchy for quite a few years now.

In my opinion, the best that we can do is to keep the politicians
in fear of unemployment; I can think of no other remedy.

The special interest groups WATCH them for us
so we know when thay r preparing to stab us in the back.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 08:51 am

That does not include the special interest group that I founded
whose mission is purely hedonistic.





David
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