AHMADINEJAHD WINS AGAIN!!!!

@Finn dAbuzz,

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They could be merely hoping the world is watching. Feedback is good.

In the interests of fairness, could you provide some feedback from, say, the Nicaraguan tragedy under Reagan, Finn, or perhaps the Vietnam era, Tiger Force group? Better late than never, after all there is no limitation on war crimes.

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Blade wins Pulitzer: Series exposing Vietnam atrocities earns top honor

By KELLY LECKER
BLADE STAFF WRITER

"Buried Secrets, Brutal Truths" - which detailed how the Army failed to stop the atrocities after commanders were told about them. The reporters also discovered that the Army failed to prosecute soldiers who killed unarmed civilians after an investigation found the platoon had committed war crimes .

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/SRTIGERFORCE/40406017

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@JTT,

Well, Khameini , this AM announced that the demonstrators were the puppets of foreign interests, especially from US and UK.
Well, weve entered phase 2. Phase 3 will be the physical abuse of the demonstrators and "going underground" of the movement.

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The Supreme Leader is now pooh-poohing the idea of election fraud.

"Eleven million votes difference? Sometimes there's a margin of 100,000,
200,000, or 1 million maximum. Then one can doubt maybe there has been
some rigging or manipulation or irregularities," Khamenei said.

"But there's a difference of 11 million votes. How can vote rigging happen?"
he asked.

How, indeed?

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Wait a minute--the CIA World Factbook says the population of the country is 66,000,000+, and this clown is trying to say the margin of victory was 11,000,000? Just how the hell many registered voters do they have in that country?

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@Setanta,

11 million?
Mr. Green

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I was referring to what George had quoted in his post. I'm a bit skeptical . . . but just a bit . . . surely the Supreme Leader would not knowingly lie . . . surely . . .

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@Setanta,

Yes, I know. I am capable of comprehending the written word and following a conversation.

I was making a joke that there are 11 million registered voters in the country.

However, a better question would be, if the glorious leader won by 11 million votes... how many unregistered voters are there....

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I wonder if women are allowed the vote in the Islamic Republic?

I'll see if i can get something on that . . .

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

However, a better question would be, if the glorious leader won by 11 million votes... how many unregistered voters are there....

As far as I remember, Iran has no voter registration (many other countries, like e.g. Germany don't have one, too).

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The first google result had a quote about 46,000,0000 registered voters in Iran, but you had to register to see the article, and that's something i don't usually do. If that were true, the women must certainly have the vote. It would also mean that the Supreme Leader were claiming that Ahmedinejad had won by a plurality equivalent to nearly one quarter of the registered voters.

Surely, surely the Supreme Leader wouldn't knowingly lie about something like this . . .

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Faux News is alleging that the total vote count exceeds the number of registered voters. However, i don't consider them a reliable source for the time of day, let alone elections in Iran.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

The first google result had a quote about 46,000,0000 registered voters in Iran,...

According to an article about the Iran election at ACE there's no voter registration in Iran:

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In Iran, there is no voter registration or roll. Iranians can vote anywhere as long as they present their national identification book, or Shenasnameh. The system is set up to prevent fraud at a number of levels, starting with voting procedures.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Perhaps my joke was lost in translation. It did not actually have to do with voter registration in Iran.

In the US, an "unregistered voter" would imply that the vote was fabricated.

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@Setanta,

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I wonder if women are allowed the vote in the Islamic Republic?

I'll see if i can get something on that .

I've come across multiple references to women voters in the articles I've read.

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@George,

George wrote:

The Supreme Leader is now pooh-poohing the idea of election fraud.

"Eleven million votes difference? Sometimes there's a margin of 100,000,
200,000, or 1 million maximum. Then one can doubt maybe there has been
some rigging or manipulation or irregularities," Khamenei said.

"But there's a difference of 11 million votes. How can vote rigging happen?"
he asked.

How, indeed?

Not vote rigging. Outcome rigging. He simply put someone else's name in front of the total.

I don't really know that, of course, but I find it very hard to believe that such massive turnout was in favor of the incumbent. Massive turnout usually means an upset.

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@Setanta,

Trying to connect the two, probably over my head. Kind of weird advertisement on this site, don't think I ever seen it before.

I think all of this will blow over sooner or later and any intervention we do would just make matters worse (someone mentioned kiss of death probably true; though what do I really know?), whether by word or deed. Besides don't we have enough to do already and can't really talk about fraudulent elections given the election of 2000 of our own. They have their supreme leaders, we had the supreme court.

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I have no idea why I feel so stirred by this revolution. I read this post from an Iranian blogger and it almost brought me to tears.

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3:09 pm: One of our readers requested that we translate the following blog post: “Tomorrow is a big day, may I get killed tomorrow!” (http://balatarin.com/permlink/2009/6/19/1625688)

“I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I’m listening to all my favorite music. I even want to dance to a few songs. I always wanted to have very narrow eyebrows. Yes, maybe I will go to the salon before I go tomorrow! There are a few great movie scenes that I also have to see. I should drop by the library, too. It’s worth to read the poems of Forough and Shamloo again. All family pictures have to be reviewed, too. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I’m two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow’s children…”

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@revel,

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...and can't really talk about fraudulent elections given the election of 2000 of our own. They have their supreme leaders, we had the supreme court.

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@FreeDuck,

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I have no idea why I feel so stirred by this revolution.

I think you probably do. How could you not be stirred by ordinary people, risking all and joining together to lay claim to their freedom?

Notwithstanding the vacuous attempts of some to suggest there is some semblance of self-rule in Iran, it is a dictatorship plain and simple.

Their so-called elections have always been a sham. This one is just more obviously so.

It's easy to recognize ourselves in the words of the person you've quoted. At least the person we once were, or the person we would all like to think ourselves capable of being.

There is an ingenuous quality to these words that is quite touching. She's caught up in the social spirit of the demonstrations, but at the same time appreciative of the serious nature of the moment. There's a disturbing fatalism in her words, but they could be as much a romanticized sense of impending martyrdom as actual dread --- likely a mix of both within the chaotic thoughts she acknowledges.

Sadly she will most likely suffer ill consequences because of her participation. She may not be killed or even injured, but if, as I expect, these demonstrations are crushed by the Iranian regime, those who have participated and can be identified will come to suffer in some way.

And if this nascent movement should fail to develop into anything more than a brief demonstration of a people's desire for freedom, will whatever suffering she experience be for naught? That will be for her to decide, but hopefully she will not think so; that she will hold on to her belief that to try is deeply meaningful in itself.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Well said, Finn. I am slightly more optimistic than you that they will succeed in accomplishing something -- what that is, I'm not sure. One thing that seems clear to me is that the people are leading the leaders. If that continues, I think we will see real liberation.

As an aside, I was arguing with my husband about this in the kitchen last night, about what they could accomplish and whether Mousavi was any better than Ahmadenijad. My nine year old came walking in, opened the fridge, said "maybe they just need to not have a supreme leader", grabbed a bottle of water, shut the fridge, and walked out. He was able to sum the whole thing up in one sentence. I had no idea he was even paying attention.

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