entrapment or not

I guaranty you that these same adults have zero comprehension of the long term effects of their practice of raising kids in a culture of fear. We are talking about serious life long psychological problems inflicted. Abuse causes this too, but the fear mongerers would benefit from some meditation on the hippocratic oath. They are probably not as bad for kids as the abusers are, but they are nowhere near the saints that they think they are.

You do not remember the day cares centers where whole staffs was claimed to be pedophiles and it took years to clear those people names as mass panic and stupid interviews errors cause the police wrongly at first to think they had hit pay dirt. Ruin more then one life.

Off hand I remember two such cases at least during the panic concerning day care centers

Roughly five years ago a large scale website was taken down for selling child porn and the police raided the homes of those "evil" people who had paid for this material by credit cards all over the world.

The only problem is that most of the cards was stolen and the people who homes was raided and computers seize had nothing to do with child porn however it told years to clear some of those people that should had been clear in days and there was many suicides and families destroy as a result. Hell some of it is still not settle and all kind of civil suits had also been file.

In I think NY city a 50 year old woman had her door knock down in the early hours of the morning because the police had trace once more child porn downloads to her ISP number however the woman not being a computer expert just happen to have an unprotect wireless network.

Yes people are never charge with sex crimes toward children without foundation!

Right that does not apply to the Date Line fools however I love your claim that people are not charge and greatly harm because of the emotions around child sexual abuse.

Oh let bring up the false memory syndrome where there was a theory that almost all eating disorders in young women was due to early childhood sexual abuse that had been suppress by the women resulting in eating disorders.

The treating psychiatrists and psychologists help the women recover the memories of being abuse mainly by their parents and these parents found their daughters hating them and in some cases they found themselves in court defending themselves from criminal charges and in a few cased even was found guilty of the charges and lock up.

This went on for a fairly long time until a few psychiatrists loss civil suits to both the parents and the young women for malpractice and the theory that eating disorders in young women was connected to early sexual abuse went out of favor.

I certainly wouldn't encourage any sort of fear in my child for anything that was not based in reality.
I don't believe in crippling a person for life in that way either.
But it would seem to me that every parent should do a cause and effect risk analysis as to the possible dangers that might exist in a child's environment and make an informed choice or decision about how best to lessen the risk of any harm coming to that child.

What if you had an eleven year old daughter Bill. What if you found out her best friend's dad had been 'stung' talking to eleven year old girls about sex on the internet, and was waiting to see if he'd be charged with anything. Your daughter's friend then asks her if she can sleep over her house on Friday night.
Would you let her?
Or would you rather she sleep over the friend's house where there was not even a whiff of that sort of thing because, oh yeah, the father in the house isn't interested in talking to eleven year old girls about sex...!

That situation in the school sounds ridiculous. That teacher and headmaster sound like twits. If he'd cut his finger would she not have touched his hand to put on the band-aid?

False allegations and vindictive lies about people are an entirely different matter than someone finding themselves getting caught actually doing what they're not supposed to be doing.

You couldn't entrap or seduce someone who wasn't where he wasn't supposed to be in the first place.
And you have to ask yourself then - why was he there?

I am curious to watch this Dateline thing though. Do you think I could find it on the internet somewhere? Do you have a link or the date it was broadcast?

my3girls wrote:

So far, sounds like its probably legal.




Chances r that MEETING is perfectly legal.
I 've never heard of any statute against anyone MEETING anyone else.




Apparently, this is scheduled to be a chaperoned
social encounter? One wonders WHO (of age) she is bringing?
her mother? her dad? her science teacher?
the principal of her school? the mayor? a police officer?
a neighbor?


I have not read this thread,
but its opening paragraf seemed interesting.





David

Thats the real fear that I have about this whole thing. There seems to be a forced assumption of guilt and a naive understanding of the way things really work in the new milenium. We have examples of adults being waylayed through a system that presumes guilt in any form of contact with kids and were letting it happen more and more with the attitudes posted herein.

Finn-despite your proclivity to "go for insults" rather than substance when you post, your reading of the conditions and assumptions that surround this thread are consistent with everyone elses (save a few). Youve immdeiately piled on the guy without any determination that the legal system is fully protective of his rights and whether the conditions have been actually proven without a doubt. The area of sex predators can just be a convenient way to "settle scores" among feuding neighbors, disgruntled students, and overzealous cops.
Weve had several cases here inCentral Pa where teachers( exactly the same story that Hawkeye posted) had been railroaded in career busting knagaroo court decisions and later were found out to be innocent. These cases are NOT uncommon. (Is there an epidemic of them? I think that a few cases a year in a metro area of a million folks is significant and portends some constitutional crisis in the making). How many such annual cases go on undetected in the rural areas of the US? Are the amounts of actually proven sesxual predation equivalent? oir are we being manipulated by a press system that hocks its goods by headlines?

Siccing child protective services on someone based on bogus allegations of abuse from some feuding neighbor is another whole level of a 9IMHO) growing problem. While weve had several examples of that occur, there may actually be many more saince we usually dont hear about them until (as in two cases in York and Manheim Pa) where the conclusion of the story involves a "serious fight among the principles" ie the feuding neighbors ,so that the story only breaks when it gets into the headlnes

What if you had an eleven year old daughter Bill. What if you found out her best friend's dad had been 'stung' talking to eleven year old girls about sex on the internet, and was waiting to see if he'd be charged with anything. Your daughter's friend then asks her if she can sleep over her house on Friday night.
Would you let her?
Or would you rather she sleep over the friend's house where there was not even a whiff of that sort of thing because, oh yeah, the father in the house isn't interested in talking to eleven year old girls about sex...!
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Well would I off hand allow my 11-year-old daughter to sleep over in a household that have someone who was on dateline hell no.

However would I support a law that would order all such men out of their own children lives without any other indication that they are a risk to their children welfare hell no also.

I would also not have any problem with the courts ordering child welfare to look into the well being of those children hopefully done in a manner that would not cause them emotional harm from the very examination.

Siccing child protective services on someone based on bogus allegations of abuse from some feuding neighbor is another whole level of a 9IMHO) growing problem. While weve had several examples of that occur, there may actually be many more saince we usually dont hear about them until (as in two cases in York and Manheim Pa) where the conclusion of the story involves a "serious fight among the principles" ie the feuding neighbors ,so that the story only breaks when it gets into the headlnes

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In a fairly large percent of divorces where there is a fight/disagreement over custody it is common for sexual abuse charges to be level mainly at the fathers.

The last figures I had seen such charges had been found to be false in 90 percents or more of the cases.

Yeah . . . i wonder where he "seen" that . . . on the tee-vee?

Hmm aidan I seen those shows a 100 times as they are constantly re-running them as they had proven to be a big money maker however where to see them now?

I can only suggest going to the date line web-site and search for “to catch a predator” or try the same search on youtube

Dateline NBC -- To Catch A Predator

NBC sued over "TCAP" suicide

NBC settles suicide lawsuit

But, of course, in Bill's world, it's the fault of those who instigated his arrest who are at fault . . .

Thats not totally true.
I use yahoo chat to talk to some friends of mine in the Phillipines, and have several times while online been "approached" by people claiming to be young females.
I was not "cruising" the chat rooms, nor was I looking for anything or anyone, but it happens anyway.
Thats why I always ask how old any female is when they start talking to me in a chat room.

If they say they are under 18, I immediately tell them that I refuse to talk to them till they turn 18.
I am NOT defending any man that uses chat rooms to look for young girls, but I am saying that sometimes its the young females that are cruising the chat rooms, looking for older guys.

But, any guy stupid enough to fal;l for that crap deserves whatever he gets.

Isn't entrapment actually the process used by law enforcement to capture those who would prey on children, FM?

Certainly you have a case that there are some chat rooms in which all ages and demographics may be present. There is also the case that they got what they deserved for their decisions while in those chat rooms, as you note.

But, any guy stupid enough to fal;l for that crap deserves whatever he gets
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Yes but does his wife and children deserve what happen to their family as a result of the man stupid actions?

all kinds of **** happens to families because of something done by any member of the family, you get over it and you move on

Isn't entrapment actually the process used by law enforcement to capture those who would prey on children, FM?
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The entrapment was engineer by a private outfit in the case of the Date Line shows at least.

W e need to watch the used of private groups working in connection with law enforcement in regard to their abiltiy to do things in ways that no government agency could do directly.

i guess i don't worry about enough ****, i don't get the bug you got in your ass about this, if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about

i guess it's that weird american freedom at any cost thing