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San Diego tries to ban Christianity

 
 
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 01:04 pm
the question of why pastor jones holds these meetings at his home. his church certainly is big enough, there's 4 nights per week with no activities.

now i'm wondering if he's looking for tax breaks on his house, etc.

in any case, i still get the feeling that there's more going on than meets the eye.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 01:24 pm

Woud there be as much fuss
if he were a paleontology professor
who likes to spend his evenings in the
company of his favorite graduate students,
discussing the latest findings qua velociraptors ?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 01:29 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
No doubt. It's entirely possible that the only point all along has been free publicity for this Christian Soldier.
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 01:37 pm
@gungasnake,
I assume that Pastor Jones would now treat his home as a church, which would be exempt from real estate and other taxes, and that Jones would be entitled to a parsonage allowance and various other tax benefits that go to the clergy. Then, we can all make the same claim relative to our homes and free ourselves from the tax man.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 02:06 pm

All taxation shoud be confined to sales taxes
(or importation tariffs). That way taxpayers
can voluntarily regulate how much thay pay
and the rich n middle classes do not become
victims of discriminatory financial sodomy.





David
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 02:18 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

No doubt. It's entirely possible that the only point all along has been free publicity for this Christian Soldier.


that's what i was getting at earlier in the thread. the way he opened his first church was by setting it up, then letting the county take gas when they cited his lack of permits.

there's this thing called a "pattern".

and i wonder what's going on with his established church.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 02:44 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

That's the most disgusting aspect of this whole affair. The holy rollers create a public nuisance, the county reacts in a reasonable manner, the holy rollers squeal about persecution (c.f. my earlier reference to a blogger saying that anyone who alleges the persecution of Christians in this country is a moron), and the county caves in. The net result is that the holy rollers are now allowed to continue to create a public nuisance.


Exactly! That's what makes me so outraged that in the name of religion,
all laws enforced to us mortal peasants, are bypassed by those who feel closer
to God.

Unfortunately, it's not only the simple zoning laws surrounding Pastor Jones,
the recent events (Dr. Tiller) have shown us to what extend religion can be
justified. The most sickening part is that there are so many followers who
practically cheer them on.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 03:03 pm
There is an incorporated town in SC of about 5,000 people and 92 churches. Unfortunately for the town, the churches, which pay no taxes, gobble up the commercial property that might otherwise house tax-paying businesses. The town is often unable to maintain city property, much less make needed improvements.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 03:21 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

There is an incorporated town in SC of about 5,000 people and 92 churches. Unfortunately for the town, the churches, which pay no taxes, gobble up the commercial property that might otherwise house tax-paying businesses. The town is often unable to maintain city property, much less make needed improvements.


but i thought god provided...
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 04:11 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Setanta wrote:

No doubt. It's entirely possible that the only point all along
has been free publicity for this Christian Soldier.


that's what i was getting at earlier in the thread.
the way he opened his first church was by setting it up,
then letting the county take gas when they cited his lack of permits.

there's this thing called a "pattern".

and i wonder what's going on with his established church.

This PATTERN deserves to proliferate.

We individual citizens are the owners of America.
We have granted government the honor
of being our employee, as our property manager.
It behooves us to be very stingy in conceding jurisdiction
to our employee.

Like drinking too much, community is damned dangerous.
Look at what happened in the name of community
in Russia, Germany n China in the 1900s.

As individuals, we need to keep community on a short leash.
That means being ever on the alert for another opportunity
to curtail and strangle its jurisdiction. Each year the citizens
shoud vote to elect government's domestic budget and
the amount of taxes to support it, with a vu toward tax reduction each year,
to keep government " weak, starved and inoffensive " as Robert Heinlein
so eloquently put it in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

The Bill of Rights had a pattern: strangling government jurisdiction,
in the knowledge that personal freedom and domestic government power are INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL.

This pattern that DTOM detected
and the spirit upon which it is based
shoud be taught & promoted in all civics classes in the public schools.

Holders of public office shoud be required to swear an oath
to be ever vigilant for the opportunity to curtail the power
of that office, so that it will be more feeble than when he began the job.
THAT is patriotism.

Every 4th of July, each holder of public office
(except judges) shoud be required to render a public speech
indicating his achievements in weakening his powers of office
during the last year, thereby exalting personal freedom.





David




DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 04:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

This pattern that DTOM detected
and the spirit upon which it is based
shoud be taught & promoted in all civics classes in the public schools.


i agree.

in that young people should be taught that using your religion to bully and bludgeon others is bad, and crying out "religious persecution" when you get popped for something sneaky is sacreligious.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 05:16 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe . . .

okbye
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 07:31 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

This pattern that DTOM detected
and the spirit upon which it is based
shoud be taught & promoted in all civics classes in the public schools.


i agree.

in that young people should be taught that using your religion
to bully and bludgeon others is bad, and crying out "religious persecution"
when you get popped for something sneaky is sacreligious.

U believe that the public schools
shoud define what is sacreligious ?





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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 09:39 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Yes, i consider them holy rollers, and no, i'm not about to apologize for that characterizations. But i do cordially invite you to kiss my hairy, red Irish ass.


Would you agree that the term "holy roller" is a pejorative and not a compliment? I thought most Americans "show" respect to another's faith, even if a faith seems quite different to us? So, if you have Irish lineage, you know of the anti-Catholic animus that was once quite overt, and might just be covert now in some quarters. So, perhaps, it is just the overtness that surprises me in your post, since even people that believe that Jesus will stop a snake from biting them are still Americans and I respect their right to believe as they choose.

And, why do you make mention of "red" relating to your hairy ass? The original Irish had dark hair. Red hair is no more Irish than it is Jewish, since countless Jews have carrot colored hair (including that Jewish character in Dickens' Oliver Twist).

P.S. Did you ever read the trilogy of Studs Lonigan by James T. Farrell? An education, in novel form, of the Chicago Irish of the 1920's.
Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 10:06 pm
San Diego County has apologized for the police's behavior, and promised to clarify its confusing zoning law. You can read the letter containing the apology (PDF) here.

I hope that this case is now over.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 05:51 am
@Thomas,
Thomas you hope the case is over?

How about the people that will have to crawl over park cars to get to their homes?

Do they and their rights matter at all in your world veiw?
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 06:36 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
Would you agree that the term "holy roller" is a pejorative and not a compliment?


Yes, that's what was intended.

I advise that you never use the locution "I thought" in any of your posts. People here who are familiar with your work are never going to believe you.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 07:00 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
How about the people that will have to crawl over park cars to get to their homes?

Do they and their rights matter at all in your world veiw?

If and when that happens, these home owners can call the police and ask them to tow the cars and fine the owners. But that's a different case.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 07:05 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
How about the people that will have to crawl over park cars to get to their homes?

They can key the sides of the cars like normal Americans!
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 07:16 am
@DrewDad,
More the likely such behaviors as keying will begin if not worst as a result of the town backing away from their duty to maintain peace in the first place.

I can just see the Pastor then going on to Fox to claim that devil worships are attacking his followers cars.
 

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