Study: The Most Liberal States Are The Least Free

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The most liberal U.S. states rank lowest when it comes to personal freedom.

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[+3] - DontTreadOnMe - 05/12/2009i didn't that there were liberal and conservative states anymore. it all looks the same to me these days when i travel. but i can understand why people with political motivations would choose...
[+3] - parados - 05/12/2009I looked at the actual study David. I don't rely on Newsmax articles when it comes to information about studies.
[+3] - parados - 05/12/2009I guess if you aren't free to unionize then you must be free? They define freedom the way they want to rather than using some objective standard. [quote]Logically, everyone shoud be eager...

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“While liberal states are freer than conservative states on marijuana and same-sex partnership policies, when it comes to gun owners, home schoolers, motorists, or smokers, liberal states are nanny states, while conservative states are more tolerant.

With this incredible insight, are these people able to make a living?

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@ebrown p,

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The study touts that it improves on prior attempts to score economic freedom

Is that there way of saying "We try to hide our bias better this time."

Personal freedom - the ability to make the choice about one's own body.
Abortion? Assisted Suicide? Nope, not included? I guess those wouldn't be freedoms while you have more freedom of the states roads are crappy because they don't tax you.

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Interesting

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@parados,

Of the 2 authors one's bio states

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his research focuses on
secessionism

The report is an interesting read. Freedom to the authors seems to mean 'freedom to exploit others."
They give points for "right to work" states.
They give points for no campaign restrictions
but they give no points for abortion issues or gay marriage issues.

The BIGGEST points of Paternalism are assigned for gun control issues where gun control makes up 1/7th of the total points, outweighing taxes and spending.

Education is the highest variable in the study with 1/3 of education being scored based on lower regulation of home schooling.

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What this proves is that this reader only reads articles that agree with his preconcieved idea of what the world is or should be.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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The study touts that it improves on prior attempts to score economic freedom

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Is that there way of saying "We try to hide our bias better this time."

That remark seems unjustified by the article.
It betrays your naked prejudice against the article.

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Personal freedom - the ability to make the choice about one's own body.
Abortion? Assisted Suicide? Nope, not included?

Those words r from YOU, not the article.

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i didn't that there were liberal and conservative states anymore. it all looks the same to me these days when i travel.

but i can understand why people with political motivations would choose to constantly attempt to divide the american people.

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@parados,

parados wrote:
Of the 2 authors one's bio states

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his research focuses on
secessionism

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The report is an interesting read.

Agreed

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Freedom to the authors seems to mean 'freedom to exploit others."

That was not in the article,
but it shoud have been; America was founded on that concept,
which is inherent in the laissez faire free enterprize that the Founders intended.
Logically, everyone shoud be eager to exploit everyone else
when the opportunity presents itself.

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They give points for "right to work" states.

This defends personal freedom; this is good,
properly in keeping with laissez faire free enterprize.

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They give points for no campaign restrictions

Very good; that supports First Amendment freedoms: HOORAY!

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but they give no points for abortion issues

Freedom of abortion deserves to be included.
Maybe thay believe that Roe v. Wade is fully dispositive nationwide.

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or gay marriage issues.

That 's false.
Thay commented on that.
(I am neutral on that.)

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The BIGGEST points of Paternalism are assigned for gun control issues
where gun control makes up 1/7th of the total points,

As well it SHOUD BE, since the right to defend your life from the violence of man or beast
even outranks the ability of government to exist.
Surely, that was the mindset of the Founders
and the Constitution woud have had NO CHANCE of ratification
if it had decreed to the contrary.

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outweighing taxes and spending.

Money is important, but the unlimited Natural right to self-defense
trumps that.

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Education is the highest variable in the study with 1/3
of education being scored based on lower regulation of home schooling.

That is proper reasoning on their part,
since the article concerns personal freedom.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I looked at the actual study David. I don't rely on Newsmax articles when it comes to information about studies.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

I looked at the actual study David.
I don't rely on Newsmax articles when it comes to information about studies.

I did not see it.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I guess if you aren't free to unionize then you must be free?

They define freedom the way they want to rather than using some objective standard.

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Logically, everyone shoud be eager to exploit everyone else
when the opportunity presents itself.

Slavery is Freedom!!!

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@parados,

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I guess if you aren't free to unionize then you must be free?

The way u wrote that
turns the actual fact around backward.*
Right to work laws prohibit workers from being extorted into joining
labor unions against their will, on pain of unemployment.
Thay do not prohibit anyone from forming a labor union.

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They define freedom the way they want to
rather than using some objective standard.

U mean the way that U DID,
in your implication directly above this?

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Logically, everyone shoud be eager to exploit everyone else
when the opportunity presents itself.

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Slavery is Freedom!!!

All slavery entails exploitation.
NOT all exploitation entails slavery.

If u and I contract for something,
it is to be presumed that we will both exploit one another.
'Twas ever thus.

* Liberal and conservative minds seem to be like oil n water.
It seems to me that like a mirror image,
we see things directly OPPOSITE to one another,
like liberals are from the Bizzaro Universe;
(unless the liberals are only fooling around, with deceptive intent).
This might be an interesting subject for another thread.

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