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Oh Bloody Hell, Yo, 'Sup; America love a british accent

 
 
Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2003 11:18 pm
Oh Bloody Hell, Yo, 'Sup
Mark Morford 10/2/03

America loves a British accent. Brits like American accents. Both tend
to mangle the hell out of the other.
(Associated Press)
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2003/09/30/financial1015EDT0055.DTL&nl=fix

LONDON -- For years, Loyd Grossman appeared on a popular TV game show with Sir David Frost. He married the daughter of "Chariots of Fire" film producer Lord David Puttnam. And as a celebrity chef, he has a big-selling line of spaghetti sauces.

Mr. Grossman, undeniably, is a British success story. Except when he opens his mouth.

"It's like, 'Hi, my accent is really mangled and I don't know where I am, it's like I'm in the middle of the Atlantic,' " says Suzanne Levy, a British TV producer. Adds Paul Foulkes, a professor of linguistics at University of York, "Oh, God yes. Horrendous."

Mr. Grossman, an American who grew up in Massachusetts, has, to many British ears, a fake British accent. He's not the only one, either. After buying a home in London and marrying British film director Guy Ritchie, Madonna went British, too, at least over here. So have many less-notable Americans. Some attempt a complete linguistic makeover. Others merely start saying "bloody," "cheers" and "indeed" a lot --often to the amusement of Britons. "Sometimes an American will be speaking completely in an American accent and they'll say 'when I went and had a bahth,' " says Ms. Levy. "What?"

The irony, says Khalid Aziz, a British communications specialist, is that "the British actually quite like American accents and find it quite highly associated with success in business." His company, Aziz Corp., recently completed a survey that found that 47 percent of British business directors interviewed considered executives with an American accent more successful than those from many British regions.

"What we advise Americans to do is not try to give up their American
accent, but stick with it," he says.

The trouble for adult Americans in Britain, language experts say, is that because of changes in the brain, only young children can fully master a new accent. "If a kid moves to a new area after 14, that kid will never sound like he or she belongs to that area," says Jack Chambers, a professor of linguistics at the University of Toronto who for two years studied the accents of English-speaking Canadians who had moved to southern England.

Experts call the phenomenon of adjusting one's accent to new surroundings "linguistic accommodation." Some of it occurs subconsciously, with people "just responding to what they hear around them," says Dr. Foulkes, who notes that vocabulary usually is the first to change since that's easier to do. Whether one goes further, and begins to change the pronunciation of words, depends on a variety of hard-to-measure factors, especially attitude.

Many Americans view British accents -- at least the ones they hear on television, in films and on the radio -- as more sophisticated, cultured and prestigious than theirs. That may be because, even though there actually are a multitude of different British accents, Americans are most familiar with "proper" accents such as the so-called Oxbridge variety, associated with Oxford and Cambridge universities and uttered by people such as actor Hugh Grant.

Upon moving to Britain, some Americans can't seem to resist the temptation to adopt a British accent, even if they're doomed to failure. "They're sending out a signal of some kind," says Dr. Chambers. "It may be insecurity -- they want to fit in, they want to be part of the scene. It may be alienation from the homeland -- they're feeling a little down on the politics at home. It may be as simple as they want to sound like they're hosting 'Masterpiece Theater.' "

Still, there's also a whole camp of Americans here who do resist, some actively. Unlike Madonna, actress Gwyneth Paltrow, who spends a lot of time in London, so far hasn't been overheard mimicking her boyfriend, singer Chris Martin, of the British rock band Coldplay. Brian Henderson, an American investment banker who has lived in London for three years, says he wouldn't think of switching. "The last thing you want to do is try to be pretentious and pick up a British accent," he says. "It's so obvious."

On the other extreme, there's writer and National Book Award winner Andrew Solomon, a native New Yorker. He confesses that he attempted to mimic a British accent even before he moved to Britain in the 1980s to
go to Cambridge. "I find that it's very useful to have lived in Britain because it gives me a good excuse to have the same affected accent I had in the first place," he says, adding, "I think I had some notion that it was grand and aristocratic and since I was not going to distinguish myself athletically, I thought I would distinguish myself with my enunciation."

Mr. Solomon doesn't even purport to sound like a true Brit. "What I have really is a mid-Atlantic accent. I would say it hovers above Greenland, and so people in the U.S. always say, 'Oh, you're British,' and people in Britain say, 'Oh, you're American.' Nobody claims me as their own."

But he says there's no going back. Even though at times he has thought to himself, "This really is silly. I should really sound more American," he says, "it would take such an enormous self-conscious effort to sound profoundly American again, then that seems affected." Besides, he adds, his speech isn't nearly as affected as Mr. Grossman's. Says Mr. Solomon: "His accent is so ridiculous, it makes me sound like a hardy stalwart from Brooklyn."

Mr. Grossman declined to comment for this article. Madonna -- who drew snickers two years ago when she announced the winners of the Turner Prize art competition in a distinct British accent -- also declined to comment. But her spokeswoman, Liz Rosenberg, wrote in an e-mail, "She does naturally pick up on languages and sounds of people around her or a country she may be residing in for awhile. It's certainly not meant as an affect ... . When she's back in New York for awhile, she gets right into the New Yawk sound."

What about Britons who move to America? Do they want to sound merican?

"When I open my mouth, people say, 'Oh, my gosh. You're English. That's
so nice,' " says Julie Kleyn, a Briton who lives in Concord, Mass. "So why should I change my accent?"

Her three sons, on the other hand, quickly adopted American accents when they moved to the U.S. three years ago, but only when speaking among their friends. "My parents said the same thing of me," says Mrs. Kleyn. "When I was in second grade in Florida, I would speak English at home and walk into the next room where there were friends and speak American to them." This is typical of children because they "don't want to be different," says Dr. Foulkes.

Ms. Levy, who recently moved from London to New York, says she has begun adopting some American expressions "because, frankly, I can't take that look of total incomprehension when I know that I speak the language better than anyone in this country."

She says "one of the biggest changes is if I'm in London and I'm trying to hail a taxi, I say, 'Excuse me! Excuse me!' Whereas here I have to say the really embarrassing, 'Yo!' "
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Letty
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 04:03 am
Hey, BBB. Fascinating piece. "Yo"? Wow. I hear that a lot from many southerners. Cool
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 06:25 am
It is so strange about accents. I too have always felt that British accents were more elegant and sophisticated than American ones. I have a slight :wink: Brooklyn accent, which I think is awful. I have been told by many people who are not from NY that they think my accent is "adorable".

I remember once watching a British movie where the actors were playing Americans. It was so strange to hear how the Britishisms crept into their otherwise flawless American speech!
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 07:59 am
Well, having attended a (British) international primary school,and having parents who were ex-pats, I have one of those wierd semi-English accents. Fairly or unfairly, it does tend to be useful when I'm teaching, since it adds a perhaps undeserved air of authority to what I say. On the other hand, one does rather tire of hearing "Oh, you speak English so well, when did you learn it?" Confused
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Piffka
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 08:42 am
"Where'd you learn English?" That's funny!

I was thrilled while in Scotland to be told that somebody liked my accent. First of all... Wot? I have an accent <silly grin>... secondly, ahh, it's endearing to them. Very Happy whew.

Unfortunately, I've found that I mangle nearly every Scottish place name I've seen in print and struggle endlessly to copy the local way of saying the name (like Lochaber is not Lock ah ber, at all, but Lah Ah ber). I wonder how much of the tendency to ooze into some form of a British accent (or conversely an American one) is at least partially based on trying to pronounce the words so people will understand.

In another example, I say that a cell phone is a cell phone usually, or a mobile (mo bull). In England, if I were with someone who was discussing a mobile (Mo-Bile), I'd feel uncomfortable if I pronounced it as I usually do since I wouldn't want to seem to be "correcting" the pronunciation I'd just heard.

Life... hard.
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oldandknew
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 09:45 am
English accents in the UK can change quite drasticaly from area to area, even over short distances. Dialects, vernacula & a total disregard for what might be called the Queen's English make a huge difference to how people speak.....
The English spoken by Brits in movies is as a rule easy enough to follow. Stand up Hugh Grant.
Compare him to the regional English accents that are still regularly used & promoted by BBC for example. London Cockney, Liverpool, Newcastle cents can be a mystery to those not used to them.
The movie, The Full Monty had to have sub titles in the USA cos the Yorkshire accent was impossible
to follow.
Even other Brits can get phazed
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Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 09:53 am
I don't have an accent, no really, it's true. But I can copy several ( I do them as party tricks) I just don't know all the lingo. As for using words like bloody and cheers, we use those all the time, always have.
My parents are British ex-pats, so I have a pretty good ear and can distinguish between many accents but I would never try to fool anyone, that's just dumb.
An aside, theres a sitcom on TV right now, (can't remember the name) the main character was in the movie "Full Monty". He play's an american father, his accent sounds like he learned english by watching films from the 30's or 40's. A kind of male Mae West.
Ceili
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Eva
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 04:01 pm
And some of us are linguistic sponges...we unconsciously absorb the local accents wherever we go.

I went to France last year. Didn't speak a word of it besides "bonjour," "sil vous plait" and "excuse-moi." (My three standard phrases to learn before traveling anywhere that doesn't use English.) But by the end of a week, all my fellow travelers were making me talk to the locals for them. I had picked up the right sounds without trying, even though I still mostly pointed and grunted.

Same thing has happened to me in Mexico & Italy.
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 04:07 pm
A slight Brooklyn accent, Phoenix?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 04:08 pm
Eva
Eva, that happened to me too in my travels. The locals laugh, I'm sure, at our attempts to sound like one of them.

I had a funny experience several decades ago. I was in the hospital for major surgery in a two-bed room. My roommate was a British woman with an upper class accent. We roomed together for about a week. By the time I went home to my family, I had acquired a reasonable imitation of her accent.

Yes, sponges we are. Very Happy

BumbleBeeBoogie
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 05:03 pm
roger- It's not really THAT bad! Laughing
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 05:15 pm
People in Yorkshire speak English???!!!???
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kev
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2003 07:40 pm
Depends where you are in yorkshire, The Full Monty was set in south yorkshire where their accent is unique. The West Yorks accent is much easier on the ear (although accents dont have strict borders) and the North Yorks accent more your "proper " English.

I don't like any British accent, they are all an abomination, Brummie, Geordie, Scouse, Glaswegian, Lancastrian, Derbyshire, (Derbyshire greeting, "hello me duck".)

I was raised in Lancashire although I've lived in Yorkshire most of my life, I hate hearing myself on tape.

For me the best spoken English is American (well some of it) like Robert Stack for example.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2003 08:35 pm
What about the 1930s Hollywood American accent (i.e. Hepburn, etc...)! Did people actually sound like that, or was that the result of too many elocution lessons?
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2003 06:42 am
Still glowing from the laughs remembered from The Full Monty. I loved that film and yes! I totally needed the sub-titles that they put in for deaf people, at least the first couple times round.

(Sample comment during the show... "Oh! That's what he was saying??)
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2003 07:18 am
There are many British accents which are a pleasure on the ear (I have a penchant for women with educated Scottish accents) and some which are (like Kev says) an abomination. The S Yorks accent is one I hear alot as most of the trackmen who I work with are from Maltby, Rotherham etc. They make up phrases like "tha' sen" (yourself) "me'sen" (myself) to confuse the outsiders.

My accent is a generalised Northern accent, as I have Geordie parents and was brought up in Yorkshire, Shropshire & Teesside (possibly the ugliest accent around). People always ask where I'm from.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2003 07:24 am
Gee, Grand Duke, I thought you were from Roman Britain! Wink
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2003 07:28 am
Now why would they want to confuse the outsiders? I try hard to make myself understood -- I imagine I could baffle people with BS and leave them wondering, but what's the point? An inside joke, I guess.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2003 08:00 am
I think they have always talked like that and refuse to "talk like everyone else" out of a mixture of stubborness and regional pride maybe?

As for the Romans, Hobitbob, they were the best thing that ever happened to this country, and sometimes I wish they were still in charge!
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2003 08:08 am
Is this a good place to ask? One of my Italian friends said that both the bagpipes and the kilt came from Rome. I argued, but he just laughed.

Tell me, he WAS kidding, right?
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