WHEN I HEAR OF MURDERS: I WISH VICTIMS HAD GUNS

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WHENEVER I HEAR OF MURDERS:
I WISH THAT THE VICTIMS HAD GUNS WHEN THAY NEEDED THEM.

Its better to HAVE a gun and not NEED it,
than it is to NEED a gun and not HAVE it.

For instance:
There was a lady in Florida, Susan Gonzalez, who feared n detested guns.
She requested her husband not to have any guns in their house, especially with their children there.
One night, 2 criminals broke down their front door.
They entered her home, shot Mrs. Gonzalez twice, and shot her husband as he lay harmlessly in his bed.
Franticly, she scrambled to get the OBJECT OF ABHORENCE:
her husband's 9 shot .22 caliber revolver.

She grabbed it up and killed one of the criminals. The other fled, after she shot him too.
Altho it is possible that the criminals might have allowed Mrs. Gonzalez’ 5 children to live
(if they did not care that the children'd complain to the police and testify against them in court)
Mrs. G was not willing to confide the lives of her children to the discretion of the men who shot both of their parents.
This attack was STOPPED by the presence of an UNLOCKED gun in the home.
Without it, the murders of the parents and children probably would have continued until all the children were dead.
That gun was the FOUNTAIN OF LIFE for the Gonzalez family.

After hospitalization, the Gonzalezes recovered from their wounds.
She became a public speaker in support of the right to keep and bear arms,
and takes her .38 Taurus revolver everywhere with her.
Wise is he who learns from his mistakes, but wiser is he who learns from the mistakes of others.

"he that has no sword, let him ... buy one." Jesus of Nazareth
Luke 22:36 [or a modern .44 revolver ?]

David

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When I see a thread like this, I wish the letters g, u, and n would vanish from the internet.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

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When I see a thread like this, I wish the letters g, u, and n would vanish from the internet.

What is the reason for that, Ed ?

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@edgarblythe,

I think men think guns have to do with their impotence..... oh a Freudian slip of course I meant their importance.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Whenever I hear about gun-nut-everyone-is-armed-utopia fantasies, I wonder what the next plan would be when there is still murders, assaults, rapes, and thefts.

T
K
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@saab,

saab wrote:

I think men think guns have to do with their impotence.....
oh a Freudian slip of course I meant their importance.

That 's erroneous.
We freedom lovers shoud come up with a counter-disease
to attribute to those who hate freedom of self-defense.

I am not sure what, yet; give it some thought.

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

Whenever I hear about gun-nut-everyone-is-armed-utopia fantasies,
I wonder what the next plan would be when there is still murders, assaults, rapes, and thefts.

T
K
O

If the bad guy is not killed on-the-job by a successful victim,
and the b.g. is captured by police, I suggest that he be BANISHED
from the North American Continent, with sneaking back in prohibited on pain of death.

That 'd reduce recidivism.
(Take their finger prints n DNA before thay go.)

David

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Hey David! Maybe we should give prisoners guns because they need to defend themselves too, right? And give priests and nuns guns so they can blast sinners into hell! Give victims guns and they won't be victims anymore! Brilliant!

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@NickFun,

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Give victims guns and they won't be victims anymore! Brilliant!

So if someone pointed a gun at you, you wouldn't wish that you had one to point back at them?

I would. I know exactly what you're saying David. If I were in danger, and someone had a weapon trained on me, I would sincerely wish that I had a weapon just as powerful with which to defend myself.

If I didnt, I'd think - 'Oh ****...I guess this is it.'

I'd definitely rather have a rabbit to pull out of the hat and say, 'Surprise! Take that ************....'

And when I read about people who are victims of predators, sure - I wish they'd had the means with which to save themselves. Who wouldn't?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Whenever I hear about gun-nut-everyone-is-armed-utopia fantasies,
I wonder what the next plan would be when there is still murders, assaults, rapes, and thefts.

T
K
O

If the bad guy is not killed on-the-job by a successful victim,
and the b.g. is captured by police, I suggest that he be BANISHED
from the North American Continent, with sneaking back in prohibited on pain of death.

That 'd reduce recidivism.
(Take their finger prints n DNA before thay go.)

David

That undo the wrongs done, nor prevent future said acts. Violent crime is always going to be a part of our society. Introducing more weaponry isn't going to solve any problem only alter the methods that criminals use. I think that the newer methods would end up being far more violent.

You are going to rob someone in a super armed society? Why bother telling them to freeze? They might have a gun. Just to be safe, maybe you should shoot first and eliminate the possibility they will defend themselves.

I understand an argument from self preservation David, what you don't understand is how the same arguemtn works against your ideas about guns.

T
K
O

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WHEN I HEAR OF GUNS: I WISH GUN NUTS HAD BRAINS

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@NickFun,

NickFun wrote:

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Hey David!

Counter-hey Nick!

NickFun wrote:

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Maybe we should give prisoners guns
because they need to defend themselves too, right?

O, u old bleeding heart, liberal, U!
NO!
I am against that!
Thay will get their own guns.
Thay have even made them, in prison.
Years ago, one team of convicts made a fully functional submachinegun
in the prison workshop, one-part-at-a-time with the guards there.
Assembled in in private.

I guess that 's OK, as long as thay are not in AMERICA,
when thay DO it.
I advocate BANISHMENT from the North American Continent, for violent recidivism.

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And give priests and nuns guns so they can blast sinners into hell!

As long as its not the government, that is giving them;
(separation of church & state)
but their loyal flocks can bring them n put them into the collection plate on Sunday.

When I was 6 years old, I was taught of a gun of whose existence
I had not been aware: a 9mm Luger P-'08. It was in the hands of
a Catholic priest, who showed it around. I was much taken with its sleek lines.
I still am. I remember his exact words: "this is a German Luger" quoth he.
It feels like a soft massage for my hand when I hold my Luger.
Its accurate, too; not much recoil. It is dated "1940" with matching serial numbers
on all numbered parts, including the magazine, tho it shows signs of hand ware.
Thank u for reminding me of it, Nick; u r a kind man!
Its a pleasure for my mind to think about it.
Maybe I 'll go visit it in my gun-vault.

We shoud also note that the priests n nuns shoud wait
until the sinners become violently (criminally) evil before assisting them into hell.

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Give victims guns and they won't be victims anymore! Brilliant!

Yes; well thank u for your support,
but let 's not overstate the case.

There will still be SOME victims, but thay will have a shot at
defending themselves on an equal footing, and even if thay are shot,
there is a possibility that thay can shoot the malefactor,
as Susan Gonzalez did. After she had been shot twice, she shot BOTH
of the criminals who shot her and her husband, killing one criminal.
That is a much better result than if she had been helpless.

Before that night happened, before she got shot,
she had been anti-gun.

David

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@aidan,

Nickfun wrote:

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Give victims guns and they won't be victims anymore! Brilliant!

aidan wrote:

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So if someone pointed a gun at you,
you wouldn't wish that you had one to point back at them?

Yeah, in an emergency, helplessness is not desirable.
In an emergency, it is better is u r able to handle the situation.
The anti-gun people do not agree with that.
I remember reading in the NY Daily News around 15 years ago,
of an attempted robbery near Times Square, one evening.
A lady n gentleman were on their way to the theater,
when thay were accosted and money was demanded of them.
The victim gentleman asked:
"well what makes u think that YOUR gun is better than MY gun?" whereupon
the attempted robber very politely wished them both a good night and departed.

Statistician Garry Gleck has estimated that successful self-defense
is peacefully executed 2,500,000 times a year in America
with no shot being discharged, merely a show of defensive force.
I was among that number, back in the 1990s.

aidan wrote:

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I would. I know exactly what you're saying David.
If I were in danger, and someone had a weapon trained on me,
I would sincerely wish that I had a weapon just as powerful with which to defend myself.

Chances are that 's all u 'd need.
I 've been informed by a retired NYPD officer with a lot of experience
that most street criminals are very cowardly and flee in the face of resistance.

aidan wrote:

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If I didnt, I'd think - 'Oh ****...I guess this is it.'

I'd definitely rather have a rabbit to pull out of the hat and say, 'Surprise! Take that ************....'
And when I read about people who are victims of predators, sure -
I wish they'd had the means with which to save themselves.

Even if I were to LOSE a gunfight with a criminal,
I 'd rather go out with the dignity of fighting back than the cowardice of docile surrender to the predator.

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Who wouldn't?

Well, the cowardly anti-gunners,
unless thay change their minds when the time comes, as Susan Gonzalez did.

David

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All of this drivel is predicated upon a dull-witted assumption that the mere possession of a firearm is sufficient to assure its appropriate use. In far too many cases, i strongly suspect that the perpetrator would simply disarm the intended victim, and then use their firearm on them.

There is nothing inherent in the possession of a firearm which assures that the possessor will be able effectively to use it.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

WHEN I HEAR OF GUNS: I WISH GUN NUTS HAD BRAINS

Thanks for posting, but I suspect that u coud have
done a better job of representing your position.

MY position is that in a predatory emergency
ideally the victim shoud have the means to fix it
immediately at hand.

Am I correct that u have some open space there, in Canada?
With some predatory animals there? Yes?

I saw on TV of the misadventure of an elderly couple;
2 elderly joggers out in the hinterland. Sadly, thay were both unarmed.
The old man was set upon by a cougar, who carved him up on the scene.
It might have been painful.
His partner, elderly woman (maybe wife) eventually beat off the animal,
after a long struggle. I think she used something as a club.

Thay 'd have been better off if she 'd just put the muzzle
of a .44 revolver into the cougar 's ear n touched it off.
That is my opinion, Richard.

U can side with the cougar, if u wish.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

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When I see a thread like this, I wish the letters g, u, and n would vanish from the internet.

What is the reason for that, Ed ?

Far too many people appear to place guns in the magical sphere of a Charles Bronson or Clint Eastwood movie, where a gun answers every social ill. As another poster already pointed out, a huge percentage of would be victims would lose their weapons to the bad guys and be killed by same. The police would become trigger happy if every yokel on the planet had a gun, because they would know the potential for disaster and because they would need to be quicker with snap decisions when a gun pops out of every pocket or purse.

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@edgarblythe,

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The police would become trigger happy if every yokel on the planet had a gun, because they would know the potential for disaster and because they would need to be quicker with snap decisions when a gun pops out of every pocket or purse.

This is an important point which the gun-obsessed often either overlook, or are too unimaginative to understand. After the Virginia Tech incident, all sorts of gun ranters were saying how different it would have been if the students had been able to go about armed. Sure, it would have been a lot different--there would have been any number of incidents in which students shot one another because they saw someone with a gun, and didn't know who the original shooter was.

Then the police would arrive. Just what kind of reaction do these clowns think the police would have had if they had come on campus to find dozens, or hundreds of armed men and women running around, and not knowing themselves who the original shooter was?

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Universal gun ownership will not eliminate desperation.

Furthermore, bad guys would simply band together in order to assure superior firepower.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

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When I see a thread like this, I wish the letters g, u, and n would vanish from the internet.

What is the reason for that, Ed ?

edgarblythe wrote:

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Far too many people appear to place guns in the magical sphere
of a Charles Bronson or Clint Eastwood movie,
where a gun answers every social ill.

OK then let us agree
that guns are not the answer to every social ill.
The record will reflect that before any gun control existed
we had social ills.

edgarblythe wrote:

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As another poster already pointed out, a huge percentage of would be victims
would lose their weapons to the bad guys and be killed by same.

Well, in Vermont where no gun control laws have ever existed
and in Alaska, which has repealed all of its gun control laws,
this has never happened, so far as I am aware.
Do u know of any historical evidence that victims are so inept
and criminals are so adroit to accomplish this ?
If this actually HAPPENED, then will u join me in advocating
that competent firearms handling and preparing defensive strategy
shoud be taught in circumstances of compulsory education,
along with arithmetic, geografy, and fonetic spelling ?
As kids in high school, we were all warned (threatened?)
that if we did not learn to swim the width of the pool,
we 'd get no diploma. I suppose that the same view point
coud be applied to safe and competent firearms handling.

edgarblythe wrote:

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The police would become trigger happy
if every yokel on the planet had a gun, because they would know
the potential for disaster and because they would need to be
quicker with snap decisions when a gun pops out of every pocket or purse.

Do u hold the opinion, Ed, that the police were trigger happy
thru the 1800s and thru the first third of the 1900s, before gun control existed ?
Do u believe that the police in Vermont
and the police in Alaska are trigger happy ?
Have u heard complaints of that nature ?

or are your thoughts just sua sponte pipe dream speculation ?
Any evidence ?

David

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I was acquainted with a man who owned a gun. He was held up himself at gunpoint. As he reached into his pants to pull out his weapon the robber blew him away. Just think, if he didn't have a gun he'd be alive today.

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