DHS, Nazis, and the Democratic Party...

Extremists are extremists, don't you think?

But here, in the recent DHS report, only vague warnings were given about the right wing. ...

(U//FOUO) This product is one of a series of intelligence assessments published
by the DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) Strategic Analysis Group
to facilitate a greater understanding of the emerging threats to the United States.
The information is provided to federal, state, and local counterterrorism and law
enforcement officials so they may effectively deter, prevent, preempt, or respond
to terrorist attacks against the United States.

(U//FOUO) This assessment examines the potential threat to homeland security from
cyber attacks conducted by leftwing extremists, a threat that DHS/I&A believes likely
will grow over the next decade. It focuses on the more prominent leftwing groups within
the animal rights, environmental, and anarchist extremist movements that promote or
have conducted criminal or terrorist activities (see Appendix). This assessment is
intended to alert DHS policymakers, state and local officials, and intelligence analysts
monitoring the subject so they can better focus their collection requirements and analysis.

First, I have yet to see anybody argue that leftwing extremism or terrorism doesn't exist, or that it isn't a potential threat. As far as I know, the DHS report you're mentioning is a follow-up on a warning on left-wing extremists that was released in January.

Then, you seem to claim that the DHS is targetting just about anybody on the political right. I would really like to know what you're basing your opinion on. The report seems to talk about right-wing extremists that may try to recruit returning veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not Republicans. Not conservatives protesting high taxes or whatever it is they are protesting.

And then you seem to go on and equate gang violence with terrorism. I have no idea why this would make sense to you. It seems to me that there's a valid reason why we group crimes committed by organised gangs, mostly against members of other organised gangs, into one category, whereas we group crimes that target a wide, indistinct group of people and that are intended to cause fear and terror amongst a wider population into another category.

A report that speaks to local community police officers about military related threats and it doesn't contain any info about gangs and their recruitment of military personnel? This is a much bigger problem for most communities in the US than 'right wing extremists' recruiting military personnel.

i don't believe i've ever met a gangster that was left wing. certainly not in a liberal sense anyway.

Are there not any? Or did it fit their political idealogy, what with the Obama admin now in power, to leave it vague?

i think you're making more out of that than is there.

Yet, in their footnotes of credible threats, DHS mentions this:

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

well, we have had past experience with so called "pro-lifers" who had no qualms about blowing up clinics and murdering doctors. it's not like that issue has cooled for the zealots who embrace that ideology.

and as far as immigration goes, having armed militias roaming around the borders with no accountability for their actions leaves the door wide open for someone to get killed, don't you think?


Bug ya a bit, DTOM?

not so much.

No one from the left here at A2K has addressed what their response would be if DHS issued a report that said

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as global warming or immigration rights."

Could you imagine the outcry from the left if something this vague was issued by the Bush admin?

you mean something like, "if you don't stand with president bush, you are a traitor, you love saddam, you are giving aid and comfort to the enemy"?

sound familiar ?

i posted a clip from fox news of all the .... you know what? instead of describing it, i'll post it again for you;

Quote:

i don't believe i've ever met a gangster that was left wing. certainly not in a liberal sense anyway.

Not my point; sorry if I didn't make it clear.

If DHS is going to point out potential threats from military vets, why only use the old rag about right wing extremists? As I've stated, plenty of threats from many aspects of society. And, military gang members are a bigger threat to local police than vague warnings of right wing extremists. As we have discovered.

You didn't indicate if that infamous footnote bothered you. A libertarian such as yourself?

You haven't read this report? Why are you here?

Tax protesters? It appears you haven't read this report, either.

Look at the footnotes on page 2 for one example. As to my previous posts in this thread for other aspects; I'm not going to repeat myself.

Please come prepared next time.

But this would like the DHS issuing a report stating everyone who believes in global warming is a potential left wing extremist recruit. That local cops should watch for those with Al Gore bumper stickers...

A stretch? Not to those who oppose abortion, illegal immigration, and other conservative causes.

A report that speaks to local community police officers about military related threats and it doesn't contain any info about gangs and their recruitment of military personnel? [other unrelated stuff]

If the DHS didn't mention this threat here, where is their report about left wing military threats? My guess is we will never see one under an Obama admin...

The report, issued last week, is part of an ongoing review of extremists on both ends of the political spectrum.

[...]

DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban said the April 7 assessment is one in an ongoing series published by DHS "to facilitate a greater understanding of radicalization in the United States."

"DHS has no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but right-wing extremists may be gaining new recruitments by playing on their fears about several emerging issues," Kuban said.

But some critics have said the DHS is equating conservative views to right-wing terrorism, but a DHS official countered that earlier this year, the department issued a mirror intelligence assessment of left-wing extremist groups.

"This is the job of DHS, to assess what is happening in this country, with regard to homegrown terrorism, and determine whether it's an actual threat or not, and that's what these assessments do. This is nothing unusual. These assessments are done all the time. This is about awareness," the official told FOX News on Monday.

well, we have had past experience with so called "pro-lifers" who had no qualms about blowing up clinics and murdering doctors. it's not like that issue has cooled for the zealots who embrace that ideology.

and as far as immigration goes, having armed militias roaming around the borders with no accountability for their actions leaves the door wide open for someone to get killed, don't you think?

you mean something like, "if you don't stand with president bush, you are a traitor, you love saddam, you are giving aid and comfort to the enemy"?

sound familiar ?

Been away. Glad to be back.

I especially liked this part from an angry lib:

"I am angry because the whole Republican party has not been rounded up and thrown into a black site," one wrote.

In 1933 the Nazi Party outlawed opposition groups. Looks like the Obama Admin is well on their way to attempting this, aren't they, in light of their DHS report?

But it sure reveals the current political mindset in Homeland Security, wouldn't you say?

Still, I can't help but think that the mass-hysteria and fear that displayed itself in reaction to this report reinforces some of the reports findings.