parados
 
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 07:54 pm
I don't know if anyone has started a thread on this yet...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/us/politics/03legal.html?scp=1&sq=&st=nyt

Lost in the bad market news is a story from the NYTimes that the legal memos granting Bush unlimited powers were released.

Quote:
The secret legal opinions issued by Bush administration lawyers after the Sept. 11 attacks included assertions that the president could use the nation’s military within the United States to combat terrorism suspects and to conduct raids without obtaining search warrants.



I found this one interesting..
Quote:
The Oct. 23 memorandum also said that “First Amendment speech and press rights may also be subordinated to the overriding need to wage war successfully.” It added that “the current campaign against terrorism may require even broader exercises of federal power domestically.”

It's hard to conduct war with critics after all. Do conservatives really think Presidents should have the power to suppress free speech during time of war?
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 08:49 pm
Thanks Parados...reading now.

God to see such stuff being released.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 08:54 pm
It's just mindboggling what scope of power the President would enjoy, according to this interpretation of presidential authority. I wonder whether conservatives would agree with the ideas put forward in those memos if the President in question would be Obama rather than Bush.

The power the President would have (or had, according to the memos) included

- the authority to use the nation’s military within the United States to combat terrorism suspects
- the authority to conduct raids without obtaining search warrants
- the authority to unilaterally abrogate foreign treaties
- the authority to ignore any guidance from Congress in dealing with detainees suspected of terrorism
- the authority to abolish First Amendment speech and press rights

The memos also stated that Congress lacked any power to limit a president’s authority to transfer detainees to other countries, and that Congress had no right to intervene in the president’s determination of the treatment of detainees.

The President could, therefore, use the military to carry out "raids on terrorist cells" within the United States. The President could seize property and use deadly force against American citizens. The Fourth Amendment’s ban on unreasonable searches would not apply, and neither would the ban on military in domestic law enforcement operations.
old europe
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 09:18 pm
@old europe,
Relevant video clip (couldn't find it on youtube to post the actual clip here, so here's just the link):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/29473443#29473443
parados
 
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Reply Wed 4 Mar, 2009 07:49 am
@old europe,
Huffington Post has the actual memos if you want to read them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/02/secret-bush-memos-release_n_171221.html
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