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Is This Cartoon Racist?

 
 
aidan
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 03:54 am
@mysteryman,
I've actually decided that I don't think it's particularly racist.

I think it's a political statement illustrating the artist's perceptions of the worthiness of the stimulus package.
So it worked for me-it took me two days- but I think I finally got his message.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 04:18 am
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

It's hard to remove the baggage of history from this and that makes it racist.
Even coming from the NY Post I find this shocking.
It's insulting the President, the NYC police, the primate that was killed and
the woman who was mutilated. Perhaps if it was funny you could just pass over it, but it's not even funny.



Its equally as funny as the ridicule of W for 8 years.

It is perfectly proper to insult obama
and there is nothing rong about insulting the NYC Police.

Therein lies the heart of American freedom.
The First Amendment is equally as valid as the Second Amendment.





David
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 06:20 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
Me too Bear....my generation needs a revolution.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 09:03 am
@kickycan,
kickycan wrote:
What a lame insult.

It was lame. I apologize.

But I'm convinced that President Obama will make me cleverer in the years to come.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 09:04 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
Police shooting of a chimp?

This is rather important information!!!!

Am I the only one who knew naught of this poor chimp? Or did everyone not know of the poor chimp?

Everyone knew except those not paying attention to the current happenings in the U.S.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 09:38 am
@Ticomaya,
I could see if you didn't know about the chimpanzee how this cartoon could be thought of as racist.

However, if you DID know about the chimp (which most everyone who's complaining, did) then to think that this is racist is sort of far fetched and reaching. Almost like they're looking for a reason to find racism. Wonder why they'd be doing that.
Gargamel
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 09:59 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
However, if you DID know about the chimp (which most everyone who's complaining, did) then to think that this is racist is sort of far fetched and reaching. Almost like they're looking for a reason to find racism. Wonder why they'd be doing that.


To say that the racist interpretation is "far-reaching" is kind of far-reaching, for that is to say that comparisons between African Americans and monkeys and apes are not a part of this country's racist history.

To me the question is: is it not far-reaching to presume that the New York Times had NO IDEA they were pressing buttons rightfully embedded in our consciousness? To imply sensitivity to racism is a characteristic limited to "whiny liberals" is bullshit.

Now, precisely how strongly we react to the cartoon, where we pick our battles, what the consequences are of protesting a few square inches of black and white ink versus, I don't know, hate crimes and institutionalized marginalization, is another thing entirely.
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:01 am
@maporsche,
How is it far fetched?

As a matter of fact, I said in another post, that is the incident of the chimp attacking an maiming a woman had not taken place, this cartoon would have made no sense whatsoever, and people would have been scrathing their heads wondering what it meant. In fact, the cartoon would never have been drawn.

Either way, whether you knew of the attack or not, the cartoon is racist, and, since it was "evolved" (pun intended) from a tradgic incident, it's not only racist, but sick as well.

It would have been just as sick to make a humorous attempt about 9/11 within a few days of the event.

Actually, I'm much more offended by the fact that this cartoon was thought up as a result of a poor woman being attacked, then by the obvious fact it's racist.

Racism doesn't surprise me.
People saying the racism isn't obvious doesn't surprise me.
People saying if you see the racism in something makes you a racist doesn't surprise me.

Kicky is so right. The racism in this is so obvious however this is looked at, it's impossible to think that the people saying it isn't aren't just playing stupid.

Well, unless you live in another country, but you would have your own issues there that I wouldn't perhaps be able to see.

Since there's all this beating around the bush about not seeing it's racist, I'm going to go out on a limb and just say it straight out...

I suppose those who say they don't see the racism have never heard black people referred to in an ugly way as "jungle bunnies, porch monkeys", or other nasty things.

Unless you have truly lived in some kind of cave while living in this country, and have never heard these expressions, you either have you head in the sand, or more likely, up your ass.

Tell me you have never seen black people represented in drawing as being monkeys, apes, primates, etc. Indicating, if you are going to play so stupid, that they are not human, or not quite human, and are a lower form on animal, and not as intelligent.

Jesus Christ, I guess we all danced around it long enough. THAT's why the cartoon is racist, and acting bewildered and saying "oh no, the monkey represents congress" is a huge crock of ****.

capice?



maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:02 am
@Gargamel,
Gargamel wrote:

Now, precisely how strongly we react to the cartoon, where we pick our battles, what the consequences are of protesting a few square inches of black and white ink versus, I don't know, hate crimes and institutionalized marginalization, is another thing entirely.


It is strange why there is so much uproar over this comic, but as you point out, not a lot of protesting at the court house or in the ghettos.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:04 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
I could see if you didn't know about the chimpanzee how this cartoon could be thought of as racist.

Yep. Which might explain why the rabbit was dead certain it was.
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chai2
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:22 am
Funny how when the bald ugly truth is put in front of someone's face it can still be ignored.

Oh, I'm sorry, I must be invisible.

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aidan
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:34 am
@chai2,
Chai said:
Quote:
How is it far fetched?

As a matter of fact, I said in another post, that is the incident of the chimp attacking an maiming a woman had not taken place, this cartoon would have made no sense whatsoever, and people would have been scrathing their heads wondering what it meant. In fact, the cartoon would never have been drawn.

Either way, whether you knew of the attack or not, the cartoon is racist, and, since it was "evolved" (pun intended) from a tradgic incident, it's not only racist, but sick as well.

It would have been just as sick to make a humorous attempt about 9/11 within a few days of the event.

Actually, I'm much more offended by the fact that this cartoon was thought up as a result of a poor woman being attacked, then by the obvious fact it's racist.

Racism doesn't surprise me.
People saying the racism isn't obvious doesn't surprise me.
People saying if you see the racism in something makes you a racist doesn't surprise me.

Kicky is so right. The racism in this is so obvious however this is looked at, it's impossible to think that the people saying it isn't aren't just playing stupid.

Well, unless you live in another country, but you would have your own issues there that I wouldn't perhaps be able to see.

Since there's all this beating around the bush about not seeing it's racist, I'm going to go out on a limb and just say it straight out...

I suppose those who say they don't see the racism have never heard black people referred to in an ugly way as "jungle bunnies, porch monkeys", or other nasty things.

Unless you have truly lived in some kind of cave while living in this country, and have never heard these expressions, you either have you head in the sand, or more likely, up your ass.

Tell me you have never seen black people represented in drawing as being monkeys, apes, primates, etc. Indicating, if you are going to play so stupid, that they are not human, or not quite human, and are a lower form on animal, and not as intelligent.

Jesus Christ, I guess we all danced around it long enough. THAT's why the cartoon is racist, and acting bewildered and saying "oh no, the monkey represents congress" is a huge crock of ****.


I think you hit the nail on the head right there (the part of your statement I bolded). If it'd been a pit bull that attacked the woman - the cartoonist would have used the pit bull as the animal that was shot to stop the rampage.

Why does everyone feel so free to call anyone who doesn't agree with them 'stupid' or assume they have their head up their ass?
When did it become part of the American experience to have to interpret everything - even political cartoons- exactly the same way as someone else- unless you want to be considered stupid or unenlightened?

That's the attitude that seems sort of unenlightened to me.
I don't interpret it the way you do - and that doesn't mean you're smarter than me. It doesn't mean you hate racism more than I do. It doesn't mean anything except that I don't interpret this the same way you do.

David's right - the first ammendment and the attitude that fostered it- is starting to seem like more and more of a distant dream of a right, that's slowly being eroded by peoples' insistence that if someone believes differently than you do - they're just WRONG and stupid- and shouldn't even voice it.

chai2
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:48 am
@aidan,
aidan wrote:

Why does everyone feel so free to call anyone who doesn't agree with them 'stupid' or assume they have their head up their ass?
When did it become part of the American experience to have to interpret everything - even political cartoons- exactly the same way as someone else- unless you want to be considered stupid or unenlightened?

That's the attitude that seems sort of unenlightened to me.
I don't interpret it the way you do - and that doesn't mean you're smarter than me. It doesn't mean you hate racism more than I do. It doesn't mean anything except that I don't interpret this the same way you do.


Well, "everyone" is doing that, and I wasn't calling "anyone" who doesn't agree with me stupid.

However, I can sense when someone, like you, is honestly saying from your personal perspective you don't see it, and when someone is just stirring the pot.

I can respect from that individuals can feel that way, and have intelligently thought it out, like you.

However, when others are just acting dense (and I emphasize "acting") they are being stupid.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 11:56 am
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote:

kickycan wrote:
What a lame insult.

It was lame. I apologize.

But I'm convinced that President Obama will make me cleverer in the years to come.


I accept your apology. And in the spirit of making amends, I'd like to change my answer. The cartoon is not racist, and all liberals should be institutionalized and beaten daily.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 12:19 pm
@kickycan,
Thank you. I appreciate the sentiment.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 05:07 pm
@aidan,
Quote:
If it'd been a pit bull that attacked the woman - the cartoonist would have used the pit bull as the animal that was shot to stop the rampage.


No, apparently you still don't get it, aidan. If it had been a pit bull, the cartooist would have had no subject for a cartoon. The cartoonist would not have been tempted to identify President Obama with a pitt bull. There is no racial precedent for that. Ah, but an ape . . .

I can't believe that there are people on this thread who actually, apparently in all seriousness, are trying to deny the obvious racial overtones in this unfunny piece of editorial art.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 05:11 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:

Quote:
If it'd been a pit bull that attacked the woman - the cartoonist would have used the pit bull as the animal that was shot to stop the rampage.


No, apparently you still don't get it, aidan. If it had been a pit bull, the cartooist would have had no subject for a cartoon. The cartoonist would not have been tempted to identify President Obama with a pitt bull. There is no racial precedent for that. Ah, but an ape . . .

I can't believe that there are people on this thread who actually, apparently in all seriousness, are trying to deny the obvious racial overtones in this unfunny piece of editorial art.


I agree.

The artist knew exactly what he was doing when he was writing it. The editors knew what they were doing when they ran it - running a cartoon with an inherently racist message, designed to have an emotional impact, BUT one for which there was a 'plausible excuse.'

I grew up in the South and recognize this **** immediately...

Cycloptichorn
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 06:03 pm
@Merry Andrew,
I agree too...I thought about the chimp thing, and decided it made no difference.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 09:13 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

http://www.nypost.com/delonas/delonas.jpg

it's from the NY Post, how can they spin this


ummm...no. Not racist in any way I can imagine.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:04 pm
@Eorl,
Eorl wrote:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3185/delonas.jpg

ummm...no. Not racist in any way I can imagine.

I dunno ... that shadowy figure in the hallway looks like it might be a chimp, and therefore it must be President Obama.

Clearly a racist cartoon ...
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