Is This Cartoon Racist?

@Linkat,

Oh boo ******* who.

What about this poor Obama delegate.

http://www.diversityinc.com/public/3373.cfm

Our ******* world is going pansy ass crazy.

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@Linkat,

Oh yeah . . . despite what people say, there is no such thing as bad publicity when it comes to those who work in the public eye.

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@dlowan,

dlowan wrote:

You don't annoy me.

I find you pathetic in such matters.

All that silly equivocation and verbiage to attempt to distract yourself or others from the bleeding obvious.

What's pathetic is your claim that what is not obvious, is. There is no basis for you to proclaim the cartoon is racist. You can claim it is clearly racist, but that doesn't make it so.

There is enough racism in the world, you don't need to go around inventing it when it doesn't exist.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Well, since Obama didn't WRITE the stimulus bill.....doesn't that make Tico's explanation (congress went ape **** and needs to be shot down) more plausible?

Yes ... yes it does.

(Except I wasn't claiming the cartoon was advocating shooting anyone.)

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@Ticomaya,

I just tried "bush chimp" and "obama chimp" searches on Google - 13,500 and 8,500 respectively, with Obama closing the gap fast. My actual concern is the welfare of chimps, especially those kept as pets, and there seems to be some movement to protect them at last:

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The chimpanzee attack has sparked lawmakers and the Humane Society of the United States to renew calls for passing the Captive Primate Safety Act.

U.S. Reps. Earl Blumenauer, D-Oregon, and Mark Kirk, R-Illinois, along with the Humane Society, lead the call for the legislation, which would prohibit interstate commerce in primates for the pet trade, making it illegal for individuals to buy or transport a pet primate across state lines. It would have no impact on zoos or research.

"Given the patchwork of state and local laws and the interstate nature of the primate pet trade, a federal response is urgently needed," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of the Humane Society. "Primates are wild animals who can attack and spread disease, and they don't belong in our bedrooms and basements. It's time to end this dangerous monkey business."

http://www.wfsb.com/news/18726175/detail.html#-

It is high time to end this monkey business!

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@High Seas,

David said:

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I refuse to knuckle under.

me neither - or me too - whichever.
how are you david?

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

anyone with half a brain would know that regardless of intent this cartoon would stir up a hornets nest of racial implications.......

So true, Bear, anyone with half a brain would think exactly that. YOU, however, have a whole brain, so you better keep thinking Smile

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@aidan,

aidan wrote:

David said:

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I refuse to knuckle under.

me neither - or me too - whichever.
how are you david?

David? Moi?! Is that your description in that brief appercu on my link, Aidan:

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At the time of the 2003 incident, police said the Herolds told them the chimpanzee was toilet trained, dressed himself, took his own bath, ate at the table and drank wine from a stemmed glass. He also brushed his teeth using a Water Pik, logged onto the computer to look at pictures, and watched television using the remote control, police said.

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@High Seas,

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David? Moi?! Is that your description in that brief appercu on my link, Aidan:

Um, what? I don't know what this means but:

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At the time of the 2003 incident, police said the Herolds told them the chimpanzee was toilet trained, dressed himself, took his own bath, ate at the table and drank wine from a stemmed glass. He also brushed his teeth using a Water Pik, logged onto the computer to look at pictures, and watched television using the remote control, police said.

this, I found pretty amazing. I was telling my son about the original story and I started chuckling and he was like, 'Mom, what are you LAUGHING at?' and all I could say was - 'that was one amazing CHIMP!'
I mean he could use the internet and everything!'

but I am sorry for what happened to the woman .

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I've come to the conclusion that having the dumbest ************ in history running the country for eight years has actually made the public more stupid as well. It's trickle-down stupidity. The fact that some of the people on this thread actually don't see anything racist at all about this cartoon shows just how bad it's gotten.

"The monkey represents congress!" "It's not about Obama at all, it's making a political point!" Yes, we can see that side of it, but the first reaction to anyone with a half a ******* brain is that it looks like they're saying Obama is a chimp. And the cartoonist and the editors at the NY Post knew that. The overt political meaning of the cartoon and the racist undertones are not mutually exclusive!

Trickle-down stupidity is a real bitch.

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@kickycan,

I feel the same way kicky, it's so obvious.

but...

I had a passing coversation over lunch today with 3 co-workers

one mexican/american male, John, totally irreverant, you'd love him.
one white woman, Sue, liberal
one black woman, Kathy, conservative.

John was saying he couldn't believe how stupid people were being saying the cartoon was racist. Sue nodding in agreement. He said "Dude, they're talking about congress."

I said, I thought it was racist, and my first impression the chimp was obama.
John told me I was racist (laughing), Kathy then said she thought the same way I did. So John called her a racist too (also joking).

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@kickycan,

kickycan wrote:

... but the first reaction to anyone with a half a ******* brain is that it looks like they're saying Obama is a chimp.

I agree with you, Kicky. However, those of us with full brains aren't as quick to leap to that conclusion.

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@Ticomaya,

What a lame insult. See how stupid you've become? But don't worry, I don't bear any ill will towards you for it. In fact, would you like a banana, Bonzo?

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@kickycan,

I agree the cartoon implies that Obama is a gorilla. But I have to agree with ehBeth: So what? People compare politicians with animals all the time. I'm pretty sure that I, myself, have unfavorably compared George W. Bush both with an elephant in a porcelain store, and with a 400 pound gorilla. I have no regrets or apologies for that. More importantly, I don't remember any conservatives getting agitated over it at the time.

So why is it suddenly so inappropriate to compare the president of the United States to the animal of your choice? Just because the current incumbent is black?

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

So why is it suddenly so inappropriate to compare the president of the United States to the animal of your choice? Just because the current incumbent is black?

Yes! Comparing any black person to a monkey is racist. It boggles my mind how people don't get that.

And yes, to me it isn't that big a deal either, but when I see people vigorously defending this racist cartoon, it makes me go bananas!

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@Thomas,

Let's take the whole racial issue out of this. That's a distraction. So is the argument about who actually authored the bill.

The only thing about the cartoon that implies that anyone is a gorilla is the text in the thought bubble. Take that away and it is just a poorly drawn cartoon in a newspaper with the bad taste to run it on the same day as a similar animal shooting event is in the news.

Add the text back in and there is an obvious effort to imply that the author of the stimulus bill is a monkey. There is also an obvious effort to imply that the author of the stimulus bill should be shot by law inforcement officers. Add that to the month of headlines in the same newspaper referring to the stimulus bill as "Obama's Economic Recovery Plan" or "The President's Stimulus Bill" and there is another obvious implication that the message in the text of the cartoon conveys.

The cartoon would be just as lacking in taste if Hillary Clinton were the president and there had been a month of headlines in that paper calling it "Hillary's Economic Recovery Plan" or "Hillary's Plan." It would be just as lacking in taste if George Bush or Ronald Reagan were still the president and it was their plan that had been in the recent headlines.

Adding back in the racist overtones implied with the text of the cartoon bubble and it is a willful intent to add another layer of bad taste to the cartoon.

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@Butrflynet,

Butrflynet wrote:

The cartoon would be just as lacking in taste if Hillary Clinton were the president and there had been a month of headlines in that paper calling it "Hillary's Economic Recovery Plan" or "Hillary's Plan." It would be just as lacking in taste if George Bush or Ronald Reagan were still the president and it was their plan that had been in the recent headlines.

Sure. But a similarly tasteless Bush joke wouldn't have spurred passionate debates on CNN. That's the difference.

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@Butrflynet,

Butrflynet wrote:

The cartoon would be just as lacking in taste

since when is political humour supposed to be in good taste?

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Another way to look at the thing....

Chimpanzees do vicious **** occasionally like the story which was in the news recently, but they don't do any of the kinds of CORRUPT **** which demoKKKrats do. Chimps don't stuff ballot boxes, vote the graveyard, produce "dimpled chads" by trying to punch 30 ballots at once or otherwise manufacture votes, steal elections, sell US senate seats, railroad innocent people to build political careers (Nifong, Reno, Harshbarger, Burris et. al.), bomb innocent nations to "wag the dog" etc. etc. etc. etc. etc........

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@Thomas,

Maybe that's part of the needed discussion that Holder was speaking about the other day. Why is it acceptable to dehumanize some people? If it is unacceptable to do it to some people, why not all people? Why are there exceptions?

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