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Obama echoes Bush: CIA abductees can’t sue

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 11:15 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The fact remains that the military tribunals (or courts) now proposed by both the Bush and Obama administrations are indeed in keeping with international law and historical norms for such situations.

That is some made up shinola there George.

The military tribunals as proposed by the Bush administration were NOT in keeping with international law or historic norms which is why they had to revamp how the tribunals were to work.
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The Supreme Court ruled 5-3 this morning that "the military commission at issue lacks the power to proceed because it violates both the (Uniform Code of Military Justice) and the four Geneva Conventions in 1949.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15922
Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Fri 22 May, 2009 05:18 pm
GLENN GREENWALD: Facts and myths about Obama's preventive detention proposal

Excerpt:

* * *

(1) What does "preventive detention" allow?

It's important to be clear about what "preventive detention" authorizes. It does not merely allow the U.S. Government to imprison people alleged to have committed Terrorist acts yet who are unable to be convicted in a civilian court proceeding. That class is merely a subset, perhaps a small subset, of who the Government can detain. Far more significant, "preventive detention" allows indefinite imprisonment not based on proven crimes or past violations of law, but of those deemed generally "dangerous" by the Government for various reasons (such as, as Obama put it yesterday, they "expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden" or "otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans"). That's what "preventive" means: imprisoning people because the Government claims they are likely to engage in violent acts in the future because they are alleged to be "combatants."

Once known, the details of the proposal could -- and likely will -- make this even more extreme by extending the "preventive detention" power beyond a handful of Guantanamo detainees to anyone, anywhere in the world, alleged to be a "combatant." After all, once you accept the rationale on which this proposal is based -- namely, that the U.S. Government must, in order to keep us safe, preventively detain "dangerous" people even when they can't prove they violated any laws -- there's no coherent reason whatsoever to limit that power to people already at Guantanamo, as opposed to indefinitely imprisoning with no trials all allegedly "dangerous" combatants, whether located in Pakistan, Thailand, Indonesia, Western countries and even the U.S.

* * *

(6) Is it "due process" when the Government can guarantee it always wins?

If you really think about the argument Obama made yesterday -- when he described the five categories of detainees and the procedures to which each will be subjected -- it becomes manifest just how profound a violation of Western conceptions of justice this is. What Obama is saying is this: we'll give real trials only to those detainees we know in advance we will convict. For those we don't think we can convict in a real court, we'll get convictions in the military commissions I'm creating. For those we can't convict even in my military commissions, we'll just imprison them anyway with no charges ("preventively detain" them).

Giving trials to people only when you know for sure, in advance, that you'll get convictions is not due process. Those are called "show trials." In a healthy system of justice, the Government gives everyone it wants to imprison a trial and then imprisons only those whom it can convict. The process is constant (trials), and the outcome varies (convictions or acquittals).

Obama is saying the opposite: in his scheme, it is the outcome that is constant (everyone ends up imprisoned), while the process varies and is determined by the Government (trials for some; military commissions for others; indefinite detention for the rest). The Government picks and chooses which process you get in order to ensure that it always wins. A more warped "system of justice" is hard to imagine.

dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 22 May, 2009 07:22 pm
@Debra Law,
Bugger.
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genoves
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 22 May, 2009 08:14 pm
Debra L A W and Parados don't know sh.t about what BO is doing.

Note: quote:
President Barack Obama will restart Bush-era military tribunals for a small number of Guantanamo detainees, reviving a fiercely disputed trial system he once denounced but with new legal protections for terror suspects, U.S. officials said Thursday.

Obama suspended the tribunals within hours of taking office in January, ordering a review but stopping short of abandoning President George W. Bush's strategy of prosecuting suspected terrorists.

The military trials will remain frozen for another four months as the administration adjusts the legal system that is expected to try fewer than 20 of the 241 detainees at the U.S. naval detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Thirteen detainees _ including five charged with helping orchestrate the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks _ are already in the tribunal system.

The changes to the system were to be announced Friday. Two senior administration officials outlined several of the rules changes, which will be carried out by executive authority, to The Associated Press on Thursday night. They include:

_Restrictions on hearsay evidence that can be used in court against the detainees.

_A ban on all evidence obtained through cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. This would include statements given from detainees who were subjected to waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning.

_Giving detainees greater leeway in choosing their own military counsel.

_Protecting detainees who refuse to testify from legal sanctions or other court prejudices.

Story continues below

The White House may seek additional changes to the military commissions law over the next 120 days, but it was not immediately clear Thursday what they could include. The two senior administration officials spoke on condition of anonymity because Obama had not yet announced the changes.

The tribunal system _ set up after the military began sweeping detainees off the battlefields of Afghanistan in late 2001 _ has been under repeated challenges from human rights and legal organizations because it denied defendants many of the rights they would be granted in a civilian courtroom.

In a statement late Thursday, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called Obama's decision to revamp and restart the tribunals a step toward strengthening U.S. detention policies that have been derided worldwide.

"I continue to believe it is in our own national security interests to separate ourselves from the past problems of Guantanamo," said Graham, who has been working with the administration on issues related to detainees. "I agree with the president and our military commanders that now is the time to start over and strengthen our detention policies. I applaud the president's actions today."

Yet the move by the new Democratic president is certain to face criticism from liberal groups, already stung by his decision Wednesday to try to block the court-ordered release of photos showing U.S. troops abusing prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. That decision marked a reversal of his earlier stand on making the photos public.

"It's disappointing that Obama is seeking to revive rather than end this failed experiment," said Jonathan Hafetz, a national security attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union. "There's no detainee at Guantanamo who cannot be tried and shouldn't be tried in the regular federal courts system. Even with the proposed modifications, this will not cure the commissions or provide them with legitimacy. This is perpetuating the Bush administration's misguided detention policy."

Critics of the Guantanamo commissions, including Obama as a senator in 2006, called them a violation of U.S. law because of the limits on detainees' legal rights. Pushed by Bush, Congress created the current tribunal system in 2006 after scrapping an earlier version that gave detainees additional rights.

Obama voted for the earlier version of the tribunals plan that also had the support of four moderate Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee. But he opposed the system that Congress ultimately approved, calling it "sloppy."

"We have rushed through a bill that stands a good chance of being challenged once again in the Supreme Court," Obama said in a Sept. 28, 2006, speech on the Senate floor. "This is not how a serious administration would approach the problem of terrorism."

Later, on the presidential campaign trail in February 2008, Obama described the Guantanamo trials as "a flawed military commission system that has failed to convict anyone of a terrorist act since the 9/11 attacks and that has been embroiled in legal challenges."

Three Guantanamo detainees have been convicted in the tribunals so far, a government official said Thursday.

The restrictions on evidence almost certainly will result in only a fraction of detainees who ever will go to trial. The rest of the detainees would either be released, transferred to other nations or tried by civilian prosecutors in U.S. federal courts, an official said.

It's also possible that some could continue to be held indefinitely as prisoners of war with full Geneva Conventions protections, according to another senior U.S. official.

The decision to restart the process puts the administration in a race against the clock to conclude commission trials before the Navy prison is closed, by January 2010. If the trials are still going on, the detainees might have to be brought to the United States, where they would receive even greater legal rights.

Since Obama's executive order to close the prison, Republicans have focused on the issue of where the detainees would go _ and the new Democratic administration's lack of a plan to deal with them. In his Thursday statement, Graham said he would not support allowing detainees to be released into the United States.

"I believe a comprehensive plan should be in place before Guantanamo is closed," he said.

Obama was already up against a May 20 deadline, when the initial 120-day review of the tribunals will end. The trial for Ahmed al-Darbi, a Saudi accused of plotting to attack a ship in the Strait of Hormuz, was scheduled to begin May 27.
Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 May, 2009 12:31 am
RACHEL MADDOW: Talk Me Down! Isn't the idea of indefinite preventive detention radically unconstitutional?

Quote:
President Obama actually delivered two speeches yesterday. One speech that could have been billed as a ballad to the Constitution -- a proclamation of American values, a repudiation of the lawless behavior of the last administration. And another speech -- announcing a radical new claim of presidential power that is not afforded by the Constitution and that has never been attempted in American history, even by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Remarkably, President Obama made both of those speeches simultaneously. Standing inside the National Archives, in front of the actual, original Constitution, President Obama delivered a blistering critique of the Bush administration -- in which he called their legacy literally a mess.

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Our government made a series of hasty decisions. Poorly planned, haphazard approach. Too often, we set those principle as side as luxuries that we could no longer afford. Our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight. The decisions that were made over the last eight years established an ad hoc legal approach for fighting terrorism that was neither effective nor sustainable.



An ad hoc legal approach for fighting terrorism that was neither effective nor sustainable. Ouch!

Then, moments later, he announced his own -- his own ad hoc legal approach for fighting terrorism. President Obama proposed something new -- something called prolonged detention. Doesn't sound that bad, right? Prolonged detention.

Did you ever see the movie "Minority Report"? It was based on a Phillip K. Dick short story. It came out in 2002. It starred Tom Cruise, remember? He played a police officer in something called the "Department of Pre-Crime." Pre-Crime is where people are arrested and incarcerated to prevent crimes that they have not yet committed.

You didn`t do anything, but you`re going to. Future murder. Creepy, right? Putting somebody in jail not for what they have done but for what you`re very sure they`re going to do?

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There may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States.


We`re not prosecuting them for past crimes, but we need to keep them in prison because of our expectation of their future crimes.

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Al Qaeda terrorists and their affiliates are at war with the United States, and those that we capture -- like other prisoners of war -- must be prevented from attacking us again.


Prevented. We will incarcerate people preventively -- preventive incarceration. Indefinite detention without trial. That`s what -- that`s what this is. That`s what President Obama proposed today if you strip away the euphemisms.

One civil liberties advocate told "The New York Times" today, quote, "We`ve known this was on the horizon for many years, but we were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning."

And it is stunning. Particularly to hear President Obama claim the power to keep people in prison indefinitely with no charges against them, no conviction, no sentence, just imprisonment -- it`s particularly stunning to hear him make that claim in the middle of a speech that was all about the rule of law.

Quote:
But we must do so with an abiding confidence in the rule of law. Our government was defending positions that undermine the rule of law. To ensure that they are in law with the rule of law.


How can a president speak the kind of poetry that President Obama does about the rule of law and call for the power to indefinitely, preventively imprison people because they might commit crimes in the future? How can those two things co-exist in the same man, even in the same speech?

Well, that brings us to the self-consciously awkward, embarrassing part of this speech today. After condemning the Bush administration for what he called their ad hoc legal strategy for trying to make things seem legal that patently weren`t, this is what President Obama proposed.

Quote:
My administration has begun to reshape the standards that apply to ensure that they are in line with the rule of law. We must have clear, defensible and lawful standards for those who fall into this category. We must have a thorough process of periodic review, so that any prolonged detention is carefully evaluated and justified.

Our goal is to construct a legitimate legal framework for the remaining Guantanamo detainees that cannot be transferred. Our goal is not to avoid a legitimate legal framework. In our constitutional system, prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man. If and when we determine that the United States must hold individuals to keep them from carrying out an act of war, we will do so within a system that involves judicial and congressional oversight.

And so going forward, my administration will work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime so that our efforts are consistent with our values and our Constitution.


You`ll construct a legal regime to make indefinite detention legal. You will -- what did he say? -- develop an appropriate legal regime. So you can construct a whole new system outside the courts, even outside the military commissions, so that you can indefinitely imprison people without charges and you`ll build that system from scratch. What`s that somebody said about ad hoc legal strategies?

Just for context here, in the United Kingdom, where there isn`t even a Bill of Rights, there`s been a major debate about whether people can be held in preventive detention. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair wanted three months to be the outer limit for how long anyone could be held. There was a big political fight about it. Parliament ended up limiting that power to 28 days. Twenty-eight days is still the longest period of preventive detention that`s allowed under law in any comparable democracy any where in the world.

How long would President Obama`s proposed preventive, indefinite detention last? Well, he`s not saying yet, but here`s how he defines the threat that he says makes indefinite detention necessary.

Quote:
Right now, in distant training camps and in crowded cities, there are people plotting to take American lives. That will be the case a year from now, five years from now -- and in all probability -- 10 years from now.


Ten years from now. So, you could get arrested today and locked up without a trial, without being convicted, without being sentenced for, say, 10 years -- until the threat of your future criminal behavior passes? "Prolonged detention," he`s calling it.

This is a beautiful speech from President Obama today, with patriotic, moving, even poetic language about the rule of law and the Constitution -- and one of the most radical proposals for defying the Constitution that we have ever heard made to the American people.

As you can tell, I`m having a hard time disguising my own feelings about this prolonged detention announcement today. How do you see it? Do you actually see this as a radical proposal?


Yes, Rachel! This is a radical and unacceptable proposal. It defies our fundamental principles. I'm extremely disappointed in our new president.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 23 May, 2009 06:12 am
@genoves,
genoves wrote:


Debra L A W and Parados don't know sh.t about what BO is doing.



TRUTH Exclamation
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genoves
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 03:42 am
0 Reply report Fri 22 May, 2009 08:14 pm Debra L A W and Parados don't know sh.t about what BO is doing.

Note: quote:
President Barack Obama will restart Bush-era military tribunals for a small number of Guantanamo detainees, reviving a fiercely disputed trial system he once denounced but with new legal protections for terror suspects, U.S. officials said Thursday.

Obama suspended the tribunals within hours of taking office in January, ordering a review but stopping short of abandoning President George W. Bush's strategy of prosecuting suspected terrorists.

The military trials will remain frozen for another four months as the administration adjusts the legal system that is expected to try fewer than 20 of the 241 detainees at the U.S. naval detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Thirteen detainees _ including five charged with helping orchestrate the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks _ are already in the tribunal system.

The changes to the system were to be announced Friday. Two senior administration officials outlined several of the rules changes, which will be carried out by executive authority, to The Associated Press on Thursday night. They include:

_Restrictions on hearsay evidence that can be used in court against the detainees.

_A ban on all evidence obtained through cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. This would include statements given from detainees who were subjected to waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning.

_Giving detainees greater leeway in choosing their own military counsel.

_Protecting detainees who refuse to testify from legal sanctions or other court prejudices.

Story continues below

The White House may seek additional changes to the military commissions law over the next 120 days, but it was not immediately clear Thursday what they could include. The two senior administration officials spoke on condition of anonymity because Obama had not yet announced the changes.

The tribunal system _ set up after the military began sweeping detainees off the battlefields of Afghanistan in late 2001 _ has been under repeated challenges from human rights and legal organizations because it denied defendants many of the rights they would be granted in a civilian courtroom.

In a statement late Thursday, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called Obama's decision to revamp and restart the tribunals a step toward strengthening U.S. detention policies that have been derided worldwide.

"I continue to believe it is in our own national security interests to separate ourselves from the past problems of Guantanamo," said Graham, who has been working with the administration on issues related to detainees. "I agree with the president and our military commanders that now is the time to start over and strengthen our detention policies. I applaud the president's actions today."

Yet the move by the new Democratic president is certain to face criticism from liberal groups, already stung by his decision Wednesday to try to block the court-ordered release of photos showing U.S. troops abusing prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. That decision marked a reversal of his earlier stand on making the photos public.

"It's disappointing that Obama is seeking to revive rather than end this failed experiment," said Jonathan Hafetz, a national security attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union. "There's no detainee at Guantanamo who cannot be tried and shouldn't be tried in the regular federal courts system. Even with the proposed modifications, this will not cure the commissions or provide them with legitimacy. This is perpetuating the Bush administration's misguided detention policy."

Critics of the Guantanamo commissions, including Obama as a senator in 2006, called them a violation of U.S. law because of the limits on detainees' legal rights. Pushed by Bush, Congress created the current tribunal system in 2006 after scrapping an earlier version that gave detainees additional rights.

Obama voted for the earlier version of the tribunals plan that also had the support of four moderate Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee. But he opposed the system that Congress ultimately approved, calling it "sloppy."

"We have rushed through a bill that stands a good chance of being challenged once again in the Supreme Court," Obama said in a Sept. 28, 2006, speech on the Senate floor. "This is not how a serious administration would approach the problem of terrorism."

Later, on the presidential campaign trail in February 2008, Obama described the Guantanamo trials as "a flawed military commission system that has failed to convict anyone of a terrorist act since the 9/11 attacks and that has been embroiled in legal challenges."

Three Guantanamo detainees have been convicted in the tribunals so far, a government official said Thursday.

The restrictions on evidence almost certainly will result in only a fraction of detainees who ever will go to trial. The rest of the detainees would either be released, transferred to other nations or tried by civilian prosecutors in U.S. federal courts, an official said.

It's also possible that some could continue to be held indefinitely as prisoners of war with full Geneva Conventions protections, according to another senior U.S. official.

The decision to restart the process puts the administration in a race against the clock to conclude commission trials before the Navy prison is closed, by January 2010. If the trials are still going on, the detainees might have to be brought to the United States, where they would receive even greater legal rights.

Since Obama's executive order to close the prison, Republicans have focused on the issue of where the detainees would go _ and the new Democratic administration's lack of a plan to deal with them. In his Thursday statement, Graham said he would not support allowing detainees to be released into the United States.

"I believe a comprehensive plan should be in place before Guantanamo is closed," he said.

Obama was already up against a May 20 deadline, when the initial 120-day review of the tribunals will end. The trial for Ahmed al-Darbi, a Saudi accused of plotting to attack a ship in the Strait of Hormuz, was scheduled to begin May 27.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 01:27 am
JOSE PADILLA v. JOHN YOO

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/files/padilla-yoo.pdf

ORDER DENYING IN PART AND GRANTING IN PART DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO DISMISS

Filed 6/12/09

Excerpts:

Quote:
* * * Like any other government official, government lawyers are responsible for the foreseeable consequences of their conduct....

* * * the Court finds Padilla has alleged sufficient facts to satisfy the requirement that Yoo set in motion a series of events that resulted in the deprivation of Padilla’s constitutional rights. . . . Padilla alleges with specificity that Yoo was involved in the decision to detain him and created a legal construct designed to justify the use of interrogation methods that Padilla alleges were unlawful.

* * * The allegation that Padilla was denied any access to counsel for nearly two years is sufficient to state a claim for violation of his right to access to courts....

* * *Padilla alleges that Yoo bears responsibility for the conditions of his confinement due to his drafting opinions that purported to create legal legitimacy for such treatment. Therefore, although Padilla’s claim must be analyzed under the Due Process provision of the Fourteenth Amendment and not pursuant to the Eighth Amendment, the Eighth Amendment sets the bar below which the treatment of detainees should not fall.

* * *
Once the Court finds that the facts would show the violation of a constitutional right, the next inquiry is to determine “whether the right was clearly established.” Saucier, 533 U.S. at 202. Yoo argues that because no federal court has afforded an enemy combatant the kind of constitutional protections Padilla seeks in this case, there was no violation of Padilla’s clearly established constitutional rights. The Court finds this argument unpersuasive....

genoves
 
  -3  
Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 02:15 am
Well, we will see now what the Court finds, won't we? Does Debra L A W. who knows all about L A W, think that the Administration won't push this case to the Supreme Court if necessary.
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Thomas
 
  1  
Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 09:37 am
@Debra Law,
Thanks Debra!
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 01:40 am
Outraged By Obama Legal Brief, Gay Democratic Donors Boycotting DNC Bash

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Last week, President Obama’s Justice Department filed a legal brief against same sex marriage in which it compared gay unions to incestuous ones and that of an underage girl " in the sense that states have the right to not recognize marriages that are legal in other states or countries.

The timing of the brief, which the president of the leading gay and lesbian rights organization said caused his community “pain,” is awkward, given that next Thursday, June 25, the Democratic National Committee is hitting up the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community for cash in a fundraiser featuring Vice President Biden.

As John Aravosis at AmericaBlog reports, gay donors, outraged at the legal brief, are withdrawing their support from the event.

The treasurer of the DNC, Andrew Tobias, finds himself distancing himself from the brief, as Ben Smith of Politico reports.

"If this debacle of a brief represented the president's views, I'd boycott too," Tobias said in an e-mail. But Tobias insisted that he “personally totally believe(s) in the president.”

David Mixner, a former adviser to President Clinton, is not so sold, writing that the brief is a “sickening document” that “could have been written by the Rev. Pat Robertson. Using the worst of stereotypes, it intimates that we don't have constitutional guarantees, invokes scenarios of incest, of children and advocates that we don't have the same rights as others who have struggled for civil rights.”

Mixner says many scholars don’t think the Obama administration needed to defend the Defense of Marriage Act, which states that states don’t have to accept same sex marriages from other states. Some disagree. But “to a person, they say that the response is way out of line, totally unnecessary and goes far beyond anything required. They all agree that if the Department of Justice felt they had to respond, a simple, few-paged brief on the very limited issue before the Federal Court would have been all that was necessary.”

The brief, Mixner argues, “undercuts every conceivable argument that the LGBT community would use to fight for the repeal of DOMA. Right-wing nut cases can now just simply quote horrible stuff from this hateful brief and proclaim loudly it was filed by the Obama Justice Department.”

For that reason, Mixner withdrew his support from the DNC fundraiser.

As did big Democratic gay donors Andy Towle and Alan Van Capelle, executive director of the Empire State Pride Agenda and Foundation.

Aravosis is mad, criticizing "this rather ill-timed and inappropriate Democratic effort to milk money from our community at the same time Democrats are equating us with incest and not lifting a finger on any of our legislation priorities in Congress or the White House. It's not awfully clear why any gay person would give a Democrat a dime ever again.”


Here's the brief that Obama's Department of Justice recently filed on June 12, 2009, concerning a challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act:

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/motion_memo_dismiss_filed.pdf

genoves
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 01:54 am
I am amazed that the highly praised legal scholar,Debra L A W, hasn't found the following story:

2009
Obama To Extend Benefits To Gay Partners
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President Barack Obama, under growing criticism for not seeking to end the ban on openly gay men and women in the military, is extending benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees.

Mr. Obama plans to announce his decision on Wednesday in the Oval Office, a White House official said Tuesday. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the president hadn't yet signed the presidential memorandum.

The official said Mr. Obama would release more details on Wednesday.

The decision is a political nod to a reliably Democratic voting bloc that in recent weeks has grown frustrated with the White House's slow movement on their priorities.

******************************************************************

Debra L A W is probably the most brilliant woman in L A W today but she obviously does not know that the Messiah-BO- is expert in taking away with one hand and giving with the other.

His brain trust, I am sure, scrutinize the Polls carefully and report to him that although he loses X number of Gay votes with the DOMA stance, he gains X squared with non gays on that issue.

Therefore, when the polls report that Y number of gays in Federal Jobs are happy when they hear that their partners are covered.

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Thomas
 
  3  
Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 03:07 pm
The Obama administration is turning the thumb-screws one rotation farther: Previously it only asked courts to throw out lawsuits from abductees under the Bush administration. Now the New York Times reports they intend to continue the abductions:

Today's New York Times wrote:
WASHINGTON " The Obama administration will continue the Bush administration’s practice of sending terrorism suspects to third countries for detention and interrogation, but pledges to closely monitor their treatment to ensure that they are not tortured, administration officials said Monday.

Human rights advocates condemned the decision, saying that continuing the practice, known as rendition, would still allow the transfer of prisoners to countries with a history of torture. They said that promises from other countries of humane treatment, called “diplomatic assurances,” were no protection against abuse.

“It is extremely disappointing that the Obama administration is continuing the Bush administration practice of relying on diplomatic assurances, which have been proven completely ineffective in preventing torture,” said Amrit Singh, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, who tracked rendition cases under President George W. Bush.

Ms. Singh cited the case of Maher Arar, a Syrian-born Canadian sent in 2002 by the United States to Syria, where he was beaten with electrical cable despite assurances against torture.

Source

With Democrats like these, why bother defeating the Republicans?
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Thomas
 
  3  
Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 03:14 pm
This is coming on the heels of a similarly frustrating story. After the Obama administration officially broke with Blackwater, a mercenary company, Blackwater renamed itself "XE Services". The administration is awarding multiple-hundred-million-dollar contracts to XE services.

The New York Times of August 22 wrote:
WASHINGTON " Despite publicly breaking with an American private security company in Iraq, the State Department continues to award the company, formerly known as Blackwater, more than $400 million in contracts to fly its diplomats around Iraq, guard them in Afghanistan, and train security forces in antiterrorism tactics at its remote camp in North Carolina.

The contracts, one of which runs until 2011, illustrate the extent to which the United States government remains reliant on private contractors like Blackwater, now known as Xe (pronounced zee) Services, to conduct some of its most sensitive operations and protect some of its most vital assets.

Disclosures that the Central Intelligence Agency had used the company, which most people still call Blackwater, to help with a covert program to assassinate leaders of Al Qaeda have touched off a storm in Washington, with lawmakers demanding to know why this kind of work is being outsourced. New details about Xe’s involvement in the covert program emerged Friday.

Source

Change we can believe in? Maybe. If only we could see more of it.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 03:19 pm
I agree Thomas.

I don't know that the Obama administration has done more than a handful of things that I agree with. And even those things he's only done half-heartedly (transparency, lobbying reform, etc).
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 03:20 pm
Disappointing. I can understand why they (the Defense and State Departments) want to keep Blackwater there, heck, they are already in-theater and they do the job they are paid to do (shuttle people around safely), but it doesn't help America's interests to hang on to these guys.

Boo OBAMA

Cycloptichorn
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Wed 9 Sep, 2009 02:45 pm
From Glenn Greenwald's blog:

Quote:
Major ruling against Ashcroft highlights evils of preventive detention

Yesterday -- in a very significant decision (.pdf) written by Bush-43-appointed federal judge Milan Smith and joined by a Reagan-appointed judge -- the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals allowed a lawsuit to proceed that was brought against John Ashcroft for the illegal and unconstitutional detention of American Muslims. The suit was brought by Abdullah al-Kidd, an American citizen of African-American descent who converted to Islam. Al-Kidd was arrested, detained under abusive conditions, and then had his movements and freedoms severely restricted for sixteen months despite no evidence that he had done anything wrong.

The suit arises out of a policy established by Ashcroft of abusing the "material witness" statute, which authorizes the detention of key witnesses to a criminal case where it's likely they will be unavailable to testify in the absence of their pre-trial detention. Ashcroft used that statute as a pretext for arresting American Muslims where there was insufficient evidence to establish probable cause they had committed a crime (the standard required to justify their arrest). In other words, Ashcroft's DOJ would pretend that they wanted to detain Muslim citizens because they were "material witnesses" to a crime, when the real reason was that they suspected them of Terrorist connections and wanted to arrest and investigate them but lacked the evidence required by law to justify an arrest -- i.e., they wanted to "preventively detain" them in the absence of any criminal wrongdoing.

The real significance of this case is that it highlights the dangers and evils of preventive detention -- an issue that will be front and center when Obama shortly presents his proposal for a preventive detention scheme, something he first advocated in May. What Ashcroft is accused of doing illegally is exactly the same thing Obama wants the legal power to do (except that Obama's powers would presumably apply to foreign nationals, not citizens): namely, order people imprisoned as Terrorist suspects -- "preventively detained" -- where there is insufficient evidence to prove they committed any crime.

I really urge everyone to read the section of the court's decision which sets forth in a concise, clear and non-legalistic manner the facts of what was done to al-Kidd by the DOJ: it's just 3 pages long, beginning on page 12271 ("Facts and Procedural Background") through 12274 (the three pages after that, also highly recommended, detail Ashcroft's culpability in creating this nefarious, illegal detention scheme). Please just go read this 3-page section laying out the facts of what was done to al-Kidd's life and what preventive detention powers allow the Government to do. Anyone who supports Obama's call for a preventive detention scheme is, by definition, supporting things like this (though, if anything, what happened to al-Kidd -- as horrible as it is -- is short and innocuous compared to what a "prolonged detention" scheme would permit: years of indefinite, charge-free imprisonment).

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ABDULLAH AL-KIDD, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. JOHN ASHCROFT, Defendant-Appellant.

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/09/04/06-36059.pdf
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Sep, 2009 03:39 pm
@Debra Law,
Quote:
Rev. Pat Robertson


An oxymoron if ever there was one.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 03:24 pm
Okay let's review ... CIA abductees can't sue, extraordinary renditions continue, Blackwater continues to get no-bid contracts after a cosmetic name change .... Anything else?

Oh, that's right! They're keeping Guantanamo Bay open after all.

Sigh.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 03:50 pm
@Thomas,
vote early
vote often
vote Kucinich
 

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