SOUTH WINS CIVIL WAR

There was one hell of a lot of trading going on during the civil war.

1) What group are you are part of that the Latino population will outnumber (who do you mean by "us")?

2) If the the South had conquered Mexico, then wouldn't a very large proportion of the citizens of the South be Latino?

((I wouldn't be opposed to the border fence if it were being built on the Mason-Dixon line))

What would they have done? Killed all the Latino's???? So there'd be none to "outnumber" you today?

Ai yi yi.

I will explain the Shaft/Isaac Hayes reference.

It is what we call a joke. You see, it's funny (for me, and Rocky and others) to refer to Setanta as being of African descent. While of course all of homo sapiens sapiens is of original African descent, the clear implication was that his Africanness (is that a word? If not, it is one now) was of a considerably more recent vintage. And Setanta is, well, I suspect he needs a higher SPF than I do, and I'm blonde (a suicide blonde these days, but still...).

I am also, by the way, part Latina, if that means having ancestry that were Spanish-speaking. The fact that these were Spaniards, does that matter or count while we're keeping score? Actually, let's call me what I am: part-Sephardic. Which Isaac Hayes most certainly never was.

Im an "antiques picker" on the side and am a frek for the elegance of southern Colonial and Federalist furniture. The south interpreted the Chippendale style in a separate vernacular than the Northern more stylized stuff.
The modern furniture manufacturers were purely home grown also. In the 1880s the very first of the big time furniture makers were the WHite Brothers of MEBANE. Will White was quite a marketer because , in the beginning , they took a 300dollar windfall and loan from their positions as telegraphers and built a small shop that made only wagon wheels and then circular tables. They then branched out into specialty wood tables and cabinets and arrowback chairs. Will then made an unsolicited proposal to the Panama Canal Project ansd landed a huge contract to supply furniture for the HQ in San Blas and then all the workers buildings and offices. SHortly after that the Spruce Pine and Asheville ops began and were sought after as mfrs odf high quality pine, cherry, and oak work.

Hey Farmer Man,
In Lenoir, the Broyhills, Bernhardts, Kincaids and others started making furniture in the late 1800's. Bernhardt in 1889. I was a personal friend of John Christian Bernhardt, grandson and heir to the original Bernhardt. He died about 5 years ago at 100. There were other great furn. manufacturers in the Hickory area such as Century and Hickory Manufacturing, both case goods. They are still in business today, only on a smaller scale. There are many other smaller brands, but most have sent the majority of operations to China.

Suits me if they would have put up a fence at the Mason/Dixon line.

I'm talking about now, not then. As far as a fence, that would have been ok then, now it's not practical, just like it's not practical to put one between Mexico and the US. There already here and multiplying.

My favorite guy is Rhett Butler. He didn't care one way or the other. He was making money off both sides.

yeah, just like human beings, just not quite dark enough to be sub-human slaves. On top that that they are mostly catholic.

You haven't visited any of the migrate worker camps have you. You might as well classify them as 21st century slaves to pick your produce. They will work though, when you get them to understand what you want them to do.

All the other ethnic groups, including those of African decent.

We in the North generally use the word "decent" as an adjective, this is the second time that you have used it as a noun (not that there aren't decent Africans).

(I also find your user name to be an odd choice of words.)

Hey man that's what the world is all about. Love all, like a few.

And yet....here you are!

and here people respond as they they are dealing with a human being, never ceases to amaze me. Loveablebob is just an another dickhead who needs to be on ignore.

But the issue was that Lincoln managed to get the South to fire the first shots,both at SUmter and Pickens..

The fact was that the SOUTH could have won the war (by just being there to watch Lincoln lose the 1864 election). The SOuth only had to maintain its borders while the UNION had to win the battles and drive its point home into the SOuth.. As late as August 1864, Lincolns reelection was in doubt and were it not for the following minor items of history, we COULD have seen a much different outcome.

1The fall of Atlanta in Sept 1864 stopped all the newspaper headlines of "Is the War a FAilure"?

2Sheridans attacks on Early at winchester and Fisher Hill and his repulse of early's counter counter attack was picked up by the NEwspapaers in October 1864 "Victory at Hand"

3Thomas defeat and dismantelling of Hood at NAshville.

4Lees refusal to "Count" black soldiesr as equals in a resumed prisoner exchange cemented the Soldier vote (This is Mcpheresons thesis, not mine) for Lincoln.

The fact that the fortunes of war, conspired positively for Lincoln at a time that he was being put upon from many sides, did (IMHO) make and change an outcome that was still in doubrt and would have, changed the entire makeup of the Hemisphere after the Civil War , (had it been a negotiated peace, rather than one based on victory).

As it worked out, Lincoln's plurality among soldiers was in the high 70% and was 53% in the general population of voters. Much of these vote returns were based upon the late turns of war and the fact that the Democrats , while their candidate was popular among soldiers, had a platform that was authored by one who was banished to Canada early in the war, and the platform was considered essentially "defeatist " to voting soldiers.


So Lincoln won anyway, but, he could have lost and, in doing so, the war would have had a totally different outcome.

Id count Shermans campaigns as a factor also , but most of the really big stuff from Sherman came as "Christmas presents" after the election.

Your "Christmas present" figure is the best description of Sherman's contribution. Certainly the defeat of Hood's army outside Atlanta and Hood's decision to burn military stores rather than allow them to fall into Federal hands helped in that it made the "peace platform" of McClellan and the Democrats seem a more dubious proposition, in that it helped to create the impression that the South was on the ropes. Any intelligent voter, though, should have known the South was on the ropes after the defeat at Gettysburg and the capture of Vicksburg the following day in July, 1863.

Sherman's "march to the sea" campaign, his boast that he would "make Georgia howl" and his vindictive destruction in South Carolina occurred after the election. In fact, from a purely military point of view, Sherman abdicated his responsibilities when he decided to march on Savannah rather than to pursue Hood and the Army of Tennessee. As matters stood in November, 1864, Meade's army, dw

Lincolns platform was an unconditional asurrender. An issue that was giving him adjida in Sept . I guess my comment was to the original post quetion about how different would thge world be if the SOuth Won. I believe that your comment was that such would have happened only if the NORTH LOST. Thats pretty much what Lincoln was expecting just befor the 64 election,because he had a contingency plan for really finidhing his administration witth a (hoped for) series of Fed victories to help in the peace negotiations.

The victories in Sept , and Clement Velandinghams botching of the SDem platform helped resolve any lingering issues of Mclellans suitability as a candidate or Lincolns continuing on. I love how things can conspire in history.