Gender Challenge: Am I a woman or a man?

@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

...

Quote:
Why should anyone care whether I was a man or woman.

Well, Fount...I, for one, do not care whether you were a man or a woman...or whether you still are the same gender you started out with...

...I simply came to see what assertions you would make here and to respond to them.

And, I think that's the point. Does it really matter?

1 Reply

@Bella Dea,

This is a zen point. Is the answer more important than the question? Which helps us explore our feelings and attitudes more. I have already said this isn't for a PHD. However I am interested in your input.

0 Replies

@Fountofwisdom,

Quote:

Remarkable leaps to reach wrong answers: Of the 23 people who have produced disparaging or abusive comments only 1 has apologised. Pentacle Queen, a woman. The postings by gender have been roughly equal. Logically this would conclude me to be able to state confidently if not definitely that an apology would be more likely to come from a woman.

Nice try, Fount…or at least, it would be a nice try for someone with an average or below average IQ.

What you actually said was quite different from what you are trying to portray it as. You actually said: “That would lead me to conclude you are a woman, a man would never apologise so graciously, actually I doubt whether a man could even admit he was wrong. I think this makes you a wonderful person. You may collect your gold star at the end of class.

But for anyone alleging an IQ of 160…it sucked.

1 Reply

@Fountofwisdom,

Quote:

I'm sorry I'm annoying...

Forgive me if I doubt this.

Quote:

At least I'm not abusive or rude. Which is what I consider to be minimum requirements.

Well, a girl's gotta have some standards.

1 Reply

@jespah,

Jespah: you have come across the nub of the debate. 28 people have offered guesses to my gender. 5 to my sexuality. 3 to my age. 1 to my race. one suggested I was a toaster. I maintain the only logical answer would be to state this is stupid, I think its daft to make such sweeping generalisations.NOT ONE PERSON HAS STATED THIS.
Personally I think this is about the journey and thinking. Not all questions have neat answers. I personally would have welcomed a lot more input from Sozobe, who felt she was disrespected more as a woman.
The Americans who started the hate thread should be ashamed of themselves. So should anyone who has not condemned the bullies

0 Replies

@Fountofwisdom,

Take a look at the wording of the question before you proudly proclaim it to be an intelligent question, Fount.

If you actually meant, “why should anyone care whether I were a man or a woman”…the conditional subjective mood form…you should have written that. That would have made the sentence applicable to the discussion now in progress.

As it is, you wrote: “Why should anyone care whether I was a man or a woman” which is the same as asking “Why should anyone care whether (at one time in the past) I was a man or (at one time in the past) I was a woman”…which would mean the question being discussed has to assume that a change has occurred…and you are arguing that the fact that a change has occurred should not be of importance.

But of course, with an IQ of 160…surely you recognize that without me having to explain it. Right?

2 Replies

@Frank Apisa,

You really have a problem with my IQ. I find that sad. I hope you learn to come to terms with your feelings of inferiority. What are you doing here if you dont want to discuss the topic? Frankly my dear I don't give a damn.

1 Reply

@George,

Not in Paris Hilton's case apparently.

1 Reply

@Frank Apisa,

You are persistent. My IQ is a fact, no matter how angry you get it won't change. Please don't bring it up all the time. I don't like to blow my own trumpet. Rather unBritish.

2 Replies

@Fountofwisdom,

Quote:

Not in Paris Hilton's case apparently.

All too apparently.

0 Replies

@Fountofwisdom,

Fount,
If I am wrong about your IQ...which I seriously doubt is anywhere in the genius range...why don't you start acting and posting commensurate with the gift.

If you are the immature, conflicted girl I suspect you are…keep right on posting what you have been posting. It really is entertaining…and as even you suggested earlier…we are here to entertain and to be entertained.

1 Reply

@Fountofwisdom,

I apologised, yes.
This was because I realised I had immediately applied my own background upon you when viewing the thread, I was considering you an attention seeker, and LINKING THIS TO THE FACT YOU ARE A WOMAN. Which was disrespectful to myself and my own sex.
Your linking my apology to me being a woman may be a result of your own bias. Yes I appreciate the sentiment, but I know others, men, on here that would have done the same. People who come on here TO LEARN, to find the flaws in their own logic.

However, I don't think this is a particularly intelligent thread. Fount, you have to admit that- and the reason everyone is trying to fault you is that anyone who claims to have genius IQ is going to be picked to pieces regardless of how intelligent they actually are, and a lot of your logic in this thread is flawed.

I don't think this thread is going to prove anything conclusive about anything, especially now that everyone is really wound up.

3 Replies

@Frank Apisa,

I have told you that altho I won 1st prize on IQ testing, I reject the system. I can only live up to my own expectations not yours. This is how this genius behaves. You are free to behave however you like. I am too wise to judge, and too guilty to condemn.

1 Reply

@The Pentacle Queen,

Sorry:
*ASSUMED FACT THAT YOU ARE A WOMAN.

0 Replies

@Fountofwisdom,

Wise people don't generally state their wisdom.
Read Plato's account of socrates.

0 Replies

@The Pentacle Queen,

You are 100% right. I spent years hiding my intelligence. I point out I didn't once bring it up. People act as though I SHOULD BE ASHAMED of my IQ. I don't think this thread will change the world. My hope is it might get people to think about it a bit.
I made that statement partly to be provocative. I never once claimed that I am free of gender bias.
In your case, I feel that what you did was a heroic act, because it was unambiguous and public. This would make you special. Your rejection of gold stars is to your credit. Good behaviour is its own reward.
All I can say is that whatever the result, I have encouraged people to share , discuss and think: And I have tried by best to be positive about things. I gave it a shot.
I am pretty sure that any attempt at debate would have meant the trolls would have drowned people out.
I think the fact that you learnt not to disparage your own sex is a remarkable achievement and one that few achieve. It is to your credit.
I am not important. You are.

4 Replies

PA writes

Quote:

However, I don't think this is a particularly intelligent thread.

Well now really, how many A2K threads could be rated 'intelligent'? Don't you think the huge percentage are simply stuff that interests the thread author or some observation about something non consequential or some bitch about something or something mindless exercise or something intended to be silly?

So why is this one any more 'unintelligent' than any other? I found the concept rather fascinating actually as the perception of people about people is both a hobby of mine and occasionally a money-making avocation.

The most interesting thing so far is the tendency to start criticizing the author for a) his/her responses or b) starting the thread altogether or c) accusing him/her of all sorts of speculative stuff.

Also, look at the growing number of participants and the growing number of posts even while many seem to be complaining about both the concept and the member introducing it.

Fascinating.

1 Reply

@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Take a look at the wording of the question before you proudly proclaim it to be an intelligent question, Fount.

If you actually meant, “why should anyone care whether I were a man or a woman”…the conditional subjective mood form…you should have written that. That would have made the sentence applicable to the discussion now in progress.

As it is, you wrote: “Why should anyone care whether I was a man or a woman” which is the same as asking “Why should anyone care whether (at one time in the past) I was a man or (at one time in the past) I was a woman”…which would mean the question being discussed has to assume that a change has occurred…and you are arguing that the fact that a change has occurred should not be of importance.

But of course, with an IQ of 160…surely you recognize that without me having to explain it. Right?

I think that is a competent and admirable analysis, Frank,
except that the reader need not necessarily
take an inference that Fount 's gender has changed,
tho it very well might possibly have changed.

I can truthfully assert:
"In 1952, I was an American"; indeed I was.
I have never renounced my citizenship
and I was an American long before n after that year, remaining so now.

I believe that it may well be connoted by Fount, but not denoted
that there was a change of gender.

David

2 Replies

@Foxfyre,

I find it weird that people come all the way to this thread to tell me how idiotic I am. And how rubbish this thread is. Why not say something positive.Your owl picture is well deserved.Wisdom indeed. let's have a hoot.

1 Reply

@OmSigDAVID,

Thank you for you contribution David. I am however too stupid to understand its relevance. I'll get my acid tabs.

0 Replies

Gender Challenge: Am I a woman or a man?

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know