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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 12:53 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
You are truly a sickening, stupid, slug who could help the world by dropping dead.
Blessed is the true judge - Baruch dayan emet!
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oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 11:05 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Ok.
Your irrelevancies aside, there is nothing anti-Semitic about pointing out the convolutedness of your ideas of ethnicity and nationalism based on religious mythology and calling them "history" and "science."

Deny history and science all you want. All it does is show that you're an anti-Semite.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 11:29 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Deny history and science all you want. All it does is show that you're an anti-Semite.


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ....... what a laugh!
All I ask is that you provide evidence of your claim, that "we" are the ones denying history and science, and we're all antisemites?

HA HA HA...
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InfraBlue
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 01:28 pm
@oralloy,
Nuh-uh.
Advocate
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 03:05 pm
@InfraBlue,
You win! You are this forum's number one pedant.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 03:58 pm
@Advocate,
Well, Advocate, that's a much better response, and I appreciate your toning down your rhetoric. Mr. Green
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Foofie
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 04:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
... the stigma of coming from a backward society, in my opinion.
Indeed. Stuck since more than 800 years in democracy. Terrible.


Backward in its social hierarchy. Meaning that one is born into a social class and it is quite difficult to overcome one's birth social station. To many Americans that is quite alien. In the US one can be born an orphan and become anyone one is capable of becoming. One's birth situation is not an impediment in the same way. Much of Europe is the same way really, in my opinion. Only in America do young girls dream of marrying "up," into an upper class family, since it is acceptable. That does not really happen in Britain. The wealthy, upper-classes do not marry "down" often, if at all.

I equate that to a backwards society. Democracy is a non-sequitur to my point. You are bringing in politics, I am talking sociology. By the way, what subject did you lecture?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 05:08 pm
@Foofie,
Why do you insist on making claims you cannot support by any credible source?

Here is the class structure in the UK. Show us how different they are from any developed country?

Quote:
The new classes are defined as:

Elite - the most privileged group in the UK, distinct from the other six classes through its wealth. This group has the highest levels of all three capitals
Established middle class - the second wealthiest, scoring highly on all three capitals. The largest and most gregarious group, scoring second highest for cultural capital
Technical middle class - a small, distinctive new class group which is prosperous but scores low for social and cultural capital. Distinguished by its social isolation and cultural apathy
New affluent workers - a young class group which is socially and culturally active, with middling levels of economic capital
Traditional working class - scores low on all forms of capital, but is not completely deprived. Its members have reasonably high house values, explained by this group having the oldest average age at 66
Emergent service workers - a new, young, urban group which is relatively poor but has high social and cultural capital
Precariat, or precarious proletariat - the poorest, most deprived class, scoring low for social and cultural capital
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 10:18 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

You win! You are this forum's number one pedant.


Woo-hoo!
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 12:04 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
By the way, what subject did you lecture?
"Methods of Social Work".
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 12:51 am
Actually, Foofie, you're wrong. You're dealing in stereotypes and wishful thinking again. The US has become, over the course of the last three or four decades, one of the developed countries with the least upward social mobility. The UK and Denmark, to take two examples, are much more socially mobile than we have become. Thank you, Mitt Romney, and all you other one percenters.
izzythepush
 
  0  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 01:09 am
@MontereyJack,
Foofie thinks that we couldn't produce a Richard Branson or an Alan Sugar. You're quite right, he thinks in outdated stereotypes. He is the most class conscious person on A2K, all of which seems to stem from a, (justified) inferiority complex.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 01:56 am
@izzythepush,
Bigotry is based on inferiority complex; that's how they think they feel superior over others.

They'll never figure out that Obama belongs to the human race like everybody else.

They have to make up stories such as "he's a Kenyan." That tells us everything we need to know about bigots. Even Donald Trump has this idea up his ass!
Moment-in-Time
 
  1  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 02:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:

Bigotry is based on inferiority complex; that's how they think they feel superior over others.


Yes, I must agree with you there, CI..... Low self-esteem appear to be the marker. At the beginning stage of the first colonizers, European's arrival on the Continent of the Americas, "bigotry"/racism has been the achilles heel, and the DNA of our American culture. The Europeans saw a brown people whose culture was different from theirs; blacks were brought in from Africa to help build up the economy. These two peoples, Native Americans and Africans, were looked upon as subhuman, but specifically the Africans because their black skin set them apart. (Native Americans were practically decimated as a result of the Europeans' coming to the Americas.) Racism is more nuanced today than ever before in our society, but most visible in the world of politics and its primary target is President Barack Obama. Obama being the first African American president is similar to Jackie Robinson the black American who integrated baseball. Poor man, he was once heckled with a dead black cat and he could not stay in any of the hotels his fellow ball players stayed at.

Obama has broken the glass ceiling. Now anyone born in America can be president, even the Canadian born Cruz whose mother was born in the US and father born in Cuba. But personally, between you and me, Ted Cruz has made some permanently fixed enemies, after this fiasco he pulled on the American people, spearheading the government shutdown, he could NOT get elected dog catcher.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 02:54 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Foofie's, like BillRM's, greatest, and only, achievement was being born in America. It's been downhill ever since. Obviously 2 tone passed him by.

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 03:07 am
@Moment-in-Time,
I'm aware of American history as a minority in this country. I've personally gone through my youth listening to some whites telling me to go back to my own country. I'm third generation American; where was I supposed to go?

Having experienced discrimination, I understand its pain and demoralizing effect on the individual. That's one of the reasons I'm no longer a member of the christian church that all my family belongs to, because even "they" taught discrimination against others. I knew as a young teenager what they were teaching was wrong. Most religious sects have dogma that runs against the grain of common sense. I'm the only member of our family that's an atheist married to a buddhist. Our mother didn't smile at our buddhist wedding; not once. She was supposed to be a christian, and show some pleasure at my wedding. I married a wonderful, smart, woman whose been my foundation for over 50 years.

My siblings still pray for me, and try to get me back into the 'church.' I'll be spending two weeks with my sister and her husband in Hawaii in January. We're going to try to make this an annual event - as long as we're able to - physically and financially.

Otherwise, I've been a vociferous advocate for the people who still suffer from discrimination or inequality.





Foofie
 
  1  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 08:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
You have not addressed my point. That being that there is much less social fluidity in the UK than in the U.S. And, as I have stated, young girls in the U.S. can dream of being a literal Cinderella, since wealthy males do marry down. However, that is not the case in many other societies, the UK being one of them. Please learn to address my points, or be quiet.
Foofie
 
  1  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 08:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
By the way, what subject did you lecture?
"Methods of Social Work".


I guess that qualifies you to lecture on many other topics. Outside of one's chosen profession, many of us just have a knowledge base that reflects the popular culture. There are few Renaissance men today.
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Foofie
 
  1  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 08:56 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Actually, Foofie, you're wrong. You're dealing in stereotypes and wishful thinking again. The US has become, over the course of the last three or four decades, one of the developed countries with the least upward social mobility. The UK and Denmark, to take two examples, are much more socially mobile than we have become. Thank you, Mitt Romney, and all you other one percenters.


I was also talking about the ability for a poor girl to marry "up." That is not acceptable in many societies. That might be an overlooked nuance of American society; the upward mobility of women, due to marriage. That does not happen to the same degree elsewhere; money marries money elsewhere.

That is one of the enchanting things about the U.S. to girls elsewhere; anyone can become a virtual Cinderella.

And, if there is less of the old fashioned upward mobility, it might be because there is less available innovation remaining, for lifting someone up from poverty. The problem might also be that much has already been done, before the country was filled in the post 1850 immigration explosion by illiterate masses from Europe?

But, then again, perhaps it is by design, since everyone cannot (or perhaps should not) be upwardly mobile in the classic sense. It would spoil the need for a cradle to grave socialism. How else would the masses be kept in their place? Everyone would be in some amorphous upper class? Oh, be realistic.

The best way for upwardly mobility is that poor girls marry up. That allows the upper class to become better looking. It is the way it is, because it works for the upper classes.
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Foofie
 
  1  
Sun 13 Oct, 2013 08:59 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Bigotry is based on inferiority complex; that's how they think they feel superior over others.

They'll never figure out that Obama belongs to the human race like everybody else.

They have to make up stories such as "he's a Kenyan." That tells us everything we need to know about bigots. Even Donald Trump has this idea up his ass!


Before "white" became the standard racial dichotomy, it was Eurocentric. That actually still exists today. Many people of European descent feel superior to Africans and Asians. Not that it is deservable, but it does exist.

By the way, around a thousand years ago, north Africa felt superior to Europe. Go figure.
 

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